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2 Thessalonians 3:11Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

For we have heard there are some among you who walk disorderly: working not at all, but curiously meddling.

Douay-Rheims

ακουομεν γαρ τινας περιπατουντας εν υμιν ατακτως μηδεν εργαζομενους αλλα περιεργαζομενους

Greek (Byzantine text)

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10 Church Fathers comment on this verse

John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

Thus he speaks here. In the first epistle, however, he says, "that you may walk properly." Why? Perhaps because nothing of this kind had yet occurred. Indeed, elsewhere, when exhorting, he said, "It is more blessed to give than to receive" (Acts 20:35). The words "that you may walk properly" were not spoken on account of any disorder. Therefore he also added, "that you may lack nothing" (1 Thess 4:12). Here, however, he points to another need for which one must labor: one should do what is good and useful for all. Therefore he says further, "But you, brethren, do not grow weary in doing good" (2 Thess 3:13). In general, a man who can work but remains idle necessarily becomes meddlesome.

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Alms are intended only for those who lack the strength to satisfy their needs by the labor of their hands, or for teachers who have devoted themselves wholly to the work of teaching. "You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain" (Deut 25:4), and, "the laborer is worthy of his food" (Mt 10:10). Therefore he does not remain idle at all, but receives wages for labor, and for great labor at that. To fast and pray while remaining idle is not the work of hands. Here the Apostle calls labor what one does when one works with the hands. And so that you should suppose nothing else, he added, "not working at all, but meddling."

Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

Since our mind is in constant motion, when we do not occupy it with useful works, it gives itself to useless works, as was said above. It begins investigating how others live, and from this passes into gossip, idle talk, and empty talk. Therefore one must labor, working with one's hands. A person who has strength to work but gives himself to idleness ought not even to ask alms. You will say: I pray and fast. But this is not the work of hands. Even while doing this, you can also have manual labor. If you neglect this, you are subject to judgment as one who loves idleness. They will say: why then is the one who teaches not forced to work? He has a more important and more difficult work, which will not allow him to occupy himself with manual tasks. But upon you, a private person, nothing of this kind rests. You sin by neglecting labor.

Cyrill of Alexandria

5th centuryChurch Father

Certain others go about, as they say, claiming that they devote all their time to prayer and do no work. They make piety a pretext for laziness and a means of gaining money, but they think wrongly. Let them say, then, that they are better than the holy apostles, who worked when free time remained, though they labored to exhaustion for the word of God. How then do they pass over what was written by blessed Paul: "Some among you walk disorderly, working not at all, but meddling"? The Church does not receive those who act in this way. It is certainly necessary for those who struggle in peaceful dwellings to pray harmoniously and intensely. But there will be no harm, and rather great profit, in laboring.

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Thus the one who receives the heavy labors of others for himself will not himself be a burden to others. From his labors it will also be possible to comfort the widow, the orphan, and some of the infirm among his brethren.

Ephraem the Syrian

4th centuryChurch Father

For we have now heard that some among you walk disorderly, doing nothing, but acting wickedly and giving themselves to idleness. By this they harm their neighbors and destroy their own souls.

Theodoret of Cyrus

5th centuryChurch Father

For idle living is naturally accompanied by empty talk, loquacity, and useless curiosity.

Kochomski S.W.

19th centuryChurch Father

Compare 1 Thess. 4:10-11.

Michail Cheraskov

19th centuryChurch Father

What traits of the proper life of individual members of Christian society are indicated here? First, stillness, that is, a way of life free from rebelliousness, excessive fussiness, and agitation, and likewise from dissipated distraction and restlessness. Second, work proper and fitting for each person according to his calling and position in society. Third, eating one's own bread, that is, obtaining the means of life only by one's own honest labors and not at another's expense. They must not, for example, be contrived by deceit, idle begging, theft, and the like. Such eating of one's own bread would determine for every Christian the proper measure of lawful means of life available to him. In this way it would save him from many sorrows and calamities. Even among people of means, life should be marked by diligence, not idleness, so that they too may not be deprived of the possibility of tasting the sweet and, as it were, sacred bread of labor.

Nikanor (Kamenski)

19th centuryChurch Father

Together with living at others' expense, the Apostle rebukes idle wandering and empty talk, in which idle people who do nothing usually engage. The Apostle reminds them of his stern injunction: not to eat without having labored. Then, by Christ the Lord, he implores them to work in order to obtain their own bread and to avoid a vain and noisy life in the streets. According to the explanation of Blessed Theodoret, "the Apostle said, 'neither let him eat,' not to those who give, but to those who live in idleness. A few words later he advises those who give not to look at the evil conduct, but without hesitation to show them the generosity proper to them." "Our mind is ever-moving.

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Therefore, when we do not occupy it with useful works, it gives itself to useless works: to investigating how others live, and from this to gossip, idle talk, and empty talk" (Blessed Theophylact). To this Bishop Theophan adds: "There is no indication that these were people with manifest vices. Otherwise the Apostle would not have endured without rebuking this, as he does in the Epistle to the Corinthians (5:11). Nor is there any indication that they were poor people able to support themselves by the labor of their hands, yet unwilling to work and living at another's expense by begging or deceit, though perhaps there was someone like this. They are all idle people, killing time in vain. Yet one must suppose there were not many such people, for the Apostle says, 'some.' He speaks of them with such strictness, and at such length, because even one soul is grievous to lose. He also feared that indulgence toward them, or inattention to their correction, might dispose others to look lightly on such a way of life and give them occasion to be drawn into imitation. Moreover, the Apostle writes, 'We hear,' that is, a report is circulating. He was so zealous that he could not bear any deficiency in his churches indifferently. He strove to present them all to Christ as pure and spotless brides (2 Cor 11:2)." In contrast to idle wandering and the vain killing of time, a modest, secluded, industrious life is commanded. Even if they have their own means, they should still labor, so as to eat their own bread earned by work, for it is sweeter and, one may say, more sacred.

Rosanow N.P.

19th centuryChurch Father

At the same time the Apostle reminds the Thessalonians of his saying, which he often repeated to them (παρηγγέλλομεν): "If anyone will not work, neither let him eat." That is, one who consciously refuses work, though he has strength for it, is unworthy to receive support from others. The Apostle recalls this commandment because among the Thessalonians there are people who seem to be constantly busy, but in fact do absolutely nothing (περιεργάζοντες). The Apostle commands such people to earn their own bread, and to do so with silence, that is, by concentrating on their own work.

Theophan the Recluse

19th centuryChurch Father

Having explained the grounds of guilt in those being rebuked, he points out the fault itself. It is as though he said: among you, despite such binding motives for orderly conduct, there are persons who behave quite improperly. In what the disorder of these persons consisted has already been indicated. They are those who walk disorderly, that is, who live tactlessly, irregularly, and not according to the order established by the Apostles. This is contrary to the honorable walk he required in the first epistle (1 Thess 4:12). They do nothing. This does not mean that they sit with folded hands, but that they wander idly. They have no liking for remaining at some serious and steady work.

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Rather, they enjoy spending time for their own pleasure, delighting their senses, eyes, hearing, taste, and the rest. But they go about mischievously. From the Greek, this means that they are curious about everything: what is there, what is happening here, what those people are saying, and what these people are planning. They are gawkers, talkers, and disputers. Wandering through squares, marketplaces, streets, and houses, they investigate everything. It is no wonder if they also deliberately spy, enter into disputes, and from this arise provocations, quarrels, insults, and every disorder in society. "To those who live in idleness," writes Theodoret, "belong empty talk, loquacity, and useless curiosity." Oecumenius also indicates the cause of this. "God," he says, "gave us an active mind. Therefore, when we withdraw it from works pleasing to God, it cannot remain inactive and so gives itself to the devil's works: curiosity, chatter, slander, mockery, and the like." Theophylact writes the same: "Our mind is ever-moving. Therefore, when we do not occupy it with useful works, it gives itself to useless works: to investigating how others live, and from this to gossip, idle talk, and empty talk." There is no indication that these were people with manifest vices. Otherwise the Apostle would not have endured without rebuking this, as he does in the Epistle to the Corinthians (1 Cor 5:11). Nor is there any indication that they were poor people able to support themselves by the labor of their hands, yet unwilling to work and living at another's expense by begging or deceit, though perhaps there was someone like this. They are all idle people, killing time in vain. Yet one must suppose there were not many such people, for the holy Apostle says, "some." Their number was so insignificant that it did not prevent the Thessalonian Church, the whole society of believers there, from being distinguished by those excellent qualities which St. Paul extols in them in both epistles. Yet he speaks of them with such strictness, and at such length, because even one soul is grievous to lose. He also feared that indulgence toward them, or inattention to their disorder, might dispose others to look lightly on such an evil way of life and give them occasion to be drawn into imitation. Moreover, the Apostle writes, "We hear," that is, a report is circulating. He does not say who brought the report or was often bringing it. Yet it is evident that the report was not empty, and St. Paul believed it. He was so zealous that he could not bear any deficiency in his Churches indifferently. He strove to present them all to Christ as pure and spotless brides (2 Cor 11:2).

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Greek text, 11 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. Ἀκούομεν
    akouomen
    I hear
    G191 · ἀκούω
  2. γάρ
    gar
    for
    G1063 · γάρ
  3. τινας
    tinas
    any one
    G5100 · τις
  4. περιπατοῦντας
    peripatountas
    I walk
    G4043 · περιπατέω
  5. ἐν
    en
    in
    G1722 · ἐν
  6. ὑμῖν
    hymin
    you
    G4771 · σύ
  7. ἀτάκτως
    ataktōs
    in a disorderly manner
    G814 · ἀτάκτως
  8. μηδὲν
    mēden
    no one
    G3367 · μηδείς
  9. ἐργαζομένους
    ergazomenous
    I word
    G2038 · ἐργάζομαι
  10. ἀλλὰ
    alla
    but
    G235 · ἀλλά
  11. περιεργαζομένους
    periergazomenous
    I overdo
    G4020 · περιεργάζομαι