The Church Fathers on this verse

John 12:30Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

Jesus answered and said: This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.

Douay-Rheims

απεκριθη ιησους ο ιησους και ειπεν ου δι εμε αυτη η φωνη γεγονεν αλλα δι υμας

Greek (Byzantine text)

The Church Fathers on this verse

14 Church Fathers comment on this verse

John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

What then does Christ say? “This voice did not come for My sake,” but for yours.

Why did He say this? To refute what they were constantly saying, namely that He was not from God.

Indeed, could He whom God glorifies, and through whom the name of God is glorified, not be from God?

For this reason the voice descended. For this reason He Himself says: “This voice did not come for My sake,” but for yours.

It was not so that I might learn from it something I did not know before. I know all that belongs to the Father. It was for your sake.

Since they said that an angel had spoken to Him, or that it was thunder, and did not hear the words, Christ says that it was for them.

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He said this so that, even in this way, He might lead them to ask what had been said. But they were struck silent and did not ask, even when they heard that it referred to them.

For one who did not know to whom the saying referred, the voice could naturally seem unintelligible.

“This voice was for the people.” Do you see that everything lowly occurs for their sake, and not because the Son needed help?

Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

But Jesus says: "This voice was not for Me, but for you." I had no need to be taught that the Father has glorified and will again glorify His name. But you had to be taught that I am not opposed to God, but act for the glory of God's name. For if God's name is glorified through Me, how am I opposed to God? Therefore this voice was for you, so that you might know that I act for the glory of God. If you cannot know this for yourselves, then by inquiry you may learn what you do not know.

Cyrill of Alexandria

5th centuryChurch Father

The Father answered His Son in a manner known to Him alone. By this He manifested His will that those who heard should honor Him, believing without hesitation that He is by nature the Son of God and the Father.

But the people were perplexed, senselessly dividing themselves among various conjectures. They ought to have known that the Father was the One answering, to whom the Son was addressing His words.

For He did not ask that there should be thunder, nor that an angel should cry out. Rather, the Son says, “This voice did not come for My sake, but for yours.”

Certainly He knew the will of the Begetter, even had He said nothing, since He was and is the Wisdom and Word of the Father.

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Therefore, “for your sake,” He says, “the voice came,” so that you might receive Me as the Son of God, whom the Father acknowledges as His Son by nature.

The Lord says specifically that “a voice came,” but He does not add that it was the Father’s voice, or how it came, for this is superfluous.

Nevertheless, He turns it into a testimony that even after hearing a voice as if from heaven, they still remained in their impiety.

Augustine of Hippo

5th centuryChurch Father

By this He showed that in that voice nothing was communicated to Him that He did not already know, but rather to those to whom it had to be communicated. Therefore, as that voice sounded not for His sake but for others, so His soul was troubled not for His sake, but by His will for others.

Euthymios Zigabenos

11th centuryChurch Father

This voice was not for Me, that is, not so that I might learn what I do not know. For I know everything that belongs to the Father. Rather, this voice was for you, so that you might know what you doubt, namely, that I am from God. How could a voice come to Me from heaven if I were not from God? How, in that case, would God have glorified His name through Me and glorify it again?

Hilarius of Poitiers

4th centuryChurch Father

We indeed remember that at times a voice was sent to us from heaven, so that the mystery of the Son might be confirmed in us by the authority of the Father's word. Yet God by His nature has no need of the various elements required for human functions: the movement of the tongue, the proper coordination of the lips, the rhythm of breath, and the vibrations of a stream of air. God is simple. He must be understood by our faith and confessed with piety. He must not be sought by the senses, but honored, because a conditioned and weak nature cannot grasp, through the guesswork of its imagination, the mystery of the infinite and almighty nature.

Alexander Gorsky

19th centuryChurch Father

He Himself had no need of this voice. Therefore He said: “This voice did not come for My sake, but for the sake of the people.”

He then explained how God would yet be glorified through Him. His death is not the destruction of His work, but His triumph.

In His accomplishing of His work lies the sentence of condemnation for the world, for everything that is not of God. The kingdom of evil is shaken.

Satan is cast down from his throne of dominion over the human race. The Gentiles themselves begin to turn from the dominion of Satan to God.

“And when I am lifted up from the earth,” He added, “I will draw all men to Myself.”

Bogolepow D.P.

19th centuryChurch Father

In answer to the various judgments about the heavenly voice, Jesus Christ reveals its meaning: “This voice did not come for My sake, but for the sake of the people.”

For the people this voice had, in the present case, the same significance as the heavenly voice at the baptism of Jesus had for John the Baptist.

In both cases, those who heard this voice were assured by heavenly testimony that Jesus, who was baptized in the Jordan and now conversed with God in prayer aloud before all, is truly the Messiah.

He precisely, as was expected of the Messiah, will soon accomplish the decisive judgment over the world. He will separate the righteous from sinners and condemn the latter.

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He will conquer the evil that reigns in the world. Together with the author of evil, the devil, He will cast it out of the world.

After the victory over the ruler of evil is accomplished, the drawing of all his former subjects, Jews and Gentiles, to Christ, the Author of good, will begin.

This will take place precisely after the Son of Man is lifted up from the earth, first of all on the Cross, and through this also into heaven.

Gladkow B.I.

19th centuryChurch Father

Undoubtedly, those who heard and understood this voice at once told others what exactly they had heard. Thus the words of the heavenly voice became generally known, since the voice itself was not for Jesus, but for the people.

“This voice did not come for My sake, but for the people, so that they might understand that in everything I do the will of My Father, and that by My death, which so scandalizes all, God will be glorified, and I too will be glorified.”

Yes, this voice was needed for the stiff-necked people. Despite the multitude of miracles performed by Jesus, despite His raising of Lazarus and His complete victory over the Pharisees, Sadducees, and the other leaders of the people, they still could not and would not detach themselves from false ideas.

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They thought of the Messiah as a conquering king. Therefore they could in no way recognize the promised Deliverer in the meek and poor Jesus, who in addition spoke of His own death.

In order to believe in Jesus as the Messiah, the people needed a sign from heaven, the very thing the Pharisees had earlier sought so persistently.

And behold, the sign was given.

Lopuchin A.P.

19th centuryChurch Father

The appearance of these foreigners showed that the hour had come for the Son of Man to be glorified among the nations. He cried out, "Father, glorify Your name!" In answer to this a voice came from heaven: "I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again." This voice was not heard by all in the same way. To many it seemed a mere peal of thunder. Others said that "an angel had spoken to Him," and only a few heard it distinctly.

Michail (Lusin)

19th centuryChurch Father

“To this He said,” more precisely, He answered. That is, He answered the people’s saying that it was thunder, and the others’ saying that it was the speech of an angel.

He answers this talk not by refuting it, nor by explaining what was spoken from heaven. Rather, He refutes what in this talk was destructive for the people themselves, and then explains the importance of the event itself.

The Lord’s gaze saw in this talk the dangerous error that the people did not relate this voice to themselves at all, as though it were not for them in any way.

The Lord directly and decisively declares to the people that this heavenly voice was properly for the people, and not for Himself.

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This does not mean, however, that in His disturbance of soul the Lord Himself had no need of strengthening from above in these important moments.

It means only that He Himself could receive help and support in another manner. The voice was properly for the people, to overcome their unbelief and strengthen faith. Cf. Jn 11:42.

He did not need such an extraordinary proof that His prayer had been heard. Cf. Chrysostom and Theophylact.

But this heavenly testimony was needed for the people, so that they might understand, if they could, the greatest significance of the present hour.

It was decisive in its importance for the world in general, verse 31 and following, and especially for Israel, verse 35 and following.

For the world this hour is the time of the deepest spiritual upheaval. It is the hour of judgment upon it, 31-1.

It is the hour of the overthrow of its former ruler, 31-2. Finally, it is the hour of the enthronement over it of a new King in place of the one overthrown, 32.

Such is the significance of this hour and this voice for the people.

Nikolaj Alexandrow

19th centuryChurch Father

The time of prayer was a moment of high inner tension, not only for Christ the Savior, but also for those surrounding Him.

The Evangelist John notes this with striking precision when he testifies that not all distinguished the words of the voice from heaven or grasped their meaning.

Some said, “It is thunder.” Others said, “An angel has spoken to Him” (v. 29).

All the people’s attention was concentrated on Christ as He prayed. Because of this, some of the people, hearing extraordinary sounds from heaven, were struck by them, but did not grasp the words and took them for thunder.

The voice from heaven was for the people, to strengthen faith in Christ the Savior within them. Christ explains in what His glorification will consist.

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“Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all men to Myself” (vv. 31-32).

By “being lifted up from the earth” the Lord here means His sufferings on the Cross and His death, by which He will conquer the devil, the ruler of this world, and begin His glorification.

For after death will follow the glorious Resurrection. Then those persisting in their unbelief in Christ will be openly condemned.

Those who believe will be strengthened still more in their faith, because they will be freed from the power of the devil and his temptations.

Philaret (Gumilevski)

19th centuryChurch Father

Verses 27-30. The sight of the depth of self-sacrifice chosen by the Son of God for the salvation of men brings trembling to the soul of the Son of Man.

This self-sacrifice is so heavy. Yet if it were easy, it could not have the value it has in reconciling the offended righteousness of God with guilty humanity.

Therefore, immediately after saying, “My soul is troubled. Father, save Me from this hour,” the Savior says: “But for this purpose I came to this hour.” “This must be,” He also said later, Mt 26:54.

“There came a voice from heaven: I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.” This moment in the life of the Savior, ready for death, is very important.

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For the third time a voice from heaven, from the Heavenly Father, resounds over the Son of Man. The first time it was heard at the baptism in the Jordan, Mt 3:17; Mk 1:11; Lk 3:22.

The second time was on Tabor, Mt 17:5; 2 Pet 1:17-18; Lk 9:35. The third time is now.

At the beginning, middle, and end of Christ’s ministry, the Heavenly Father bears witness to the significance of the Son.

Frivolity may say that “unclear thought mistook the thunder that struck the senses for the voice of God” (De Bette, Stud. und Krit. 1834, 4, 939).

On the contrary, the historian and eyewitness firmly says that this was a voice from heaven, articulate and clear.

He also states what the opinions of spiritually undeveloped people about this matter were: “The people standing by, who heard it, said that it had thundered. Others said, ‘An angel has spoken to Him.’”

The latter opinion deserves special notice, though De Bette entirely overlooks it. Even among the people there were some who distinguished articulate signs, words, in the heavenly voice.

They therefore did not regard it as mute thunder or a dull rumble.

If the other apostles, besides John, had not understood the voice along with the people, the exact historian would have said so. He is not ashamed to display the apostles’ lack of understanding where it occurred.

Therefore it must be accepted as certain that not John alone, but all the apostles, heard and understood the heavenly voice as John transmits it.

Finally, one must not forget that the Apostles Peter and Paul heard a voice from heaven, articulate signs (Acts 9:7; Acts 22:7, 10; Acts 13:15). Later many saints also heard such voices, for example St. Polycarp (Ep. de mart. Polycarpi § 9).

“I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.” The Heavenly Father embraces His whole relation to the Son, in its past and future.

He does not point to some particular manifestation of His will to the Son. Rather, embracing the whole course of events concerning sinful humanity, taken under the protection of the Son of God, He speaks.

He says that the Father’s good pleasure always rests upon the work of the Son, the Redeemer.

“This voice was not for My sake, but for the sake of the people.” At the Jordan the voice from heaven was heard by the Baptist. On Tabor it was heard by the three apostles.

Now it resounds in the hearing of the people, to warn the simple-hearted against participation in the fearful crime being prepared. It also instructs those among the people who, if not now, then later, would attend to the significance of Christ Jesus.

Wlastow G.K.

19th centuryChurch Father

Three times there was a voice from heaven bearing witness to the Lord Jesus. The first voice from heaven came at the Lord's Baptism. The second came at His Transfiguration on Tabor. The third came in Jerusalem after the Lord's prayer: "Father, glorify Your name."

The first voice from heaven bore witness to John the Baptist, the first witness of Christ on earth. The second heavenly voice came before the three disciples who were on the holy mountain.

Together with the other Apostles, they were to bear witness to the Lord before the whole world. Finally, the third time, "this voice came for the sake of the people."

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At that moment the Lord stood surrounded by a crowd, among whom were also Gentiles who had come to Jerusalem to worship. It pleased the Lord that a sign from heaven should confirm in hearts capable of faith the conviction of His divinity as the God-man.

"The Word was always glorified before all ages, but He became flesh in order to sanctify and deify men, and in Himself to glorify the flesh," says Saint Athanasius the Great.

Therefore the voice from heaven bore witness that faith in the Lord Jesus, who stood before the people in the form of a man, is truly faith in God, revealed to men in the second Hypostasis.

This voice was heard by all, but not understood by all. The understanding of it, like every utterance of God, depends on how ready the human heart is to receive the word of God.

The people in general are said to have heard. The sounds reached them, but not all understood the sign. Some said that it was thunder. Others, better prepared, said that it was the voice of an angel.

Probably only the Lord's disciples clearly understood the words of God. Yet even they fully understood their meaning only after the Lord's Resurrection and glorification.

All the people had to understand one thing: a solemn manifestation of God's will had taken place. It had taken place in answer to the prayer of Him who had called the dead Lazarus from the tomb.

This was the One whom the people had recently greeted as their king on the descent from the Mount of Olives. Above, in verse 24, the Lord had pointed to His suffering death.

The voice from heaven points to the glorification of God in His Son, who assumed flesh. Yet in the Lord's voluntary death itself, and in the Resurrection that followed it, the highest glorification of the God-man is revealed.

He is God Almighty, suffering together with all mankind in the most terrible sufferings that can befall man on earth. The disciples had to learn this.

On the one hand, the voice from heaven had to save them from despair when they would see the Lord dying on the cross. In the future, it had to illumine for them the whole plan of divine wisdom.

It had to show how the salvation of men was prepared and fulfilled. After the Lord's Resurrection, they were entrusted with preaching this salvation to the whole world.

For the people of Jerusalem, the voice from heaven had another meaning also. It was a witness against the people. All heard the sign, and all knew that this sign came in answer to the prayer of the Lord Jesus.

Yet a few days later, at the instigation of the Pharisees, this people cried: "Crucify Him, crucify Him!" "This voice came for the sake of the people."

After this, the Lord continues to reveal the mysteries accomplished by His coming and says: Jn 12:31. "Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out."

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Passages read together with this verse.

The original text

Greek text, 14 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. Ἀπεκρίθη
    apekrithē
    I answer
    G611 · ἀποκρίνω
  2. Ἰησοῦς
    iēsous
    Jesus
    G2424 · Ἰησοῦς
  3. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  4. εἶπεν
    eipen
    to say
    G2036 · ἔπω, ἐρῶ, εἶπον
  5. Οὐ
    ou
    no
    G3756 · οὐ
  6. δι᾽
    di
    through
    G1223 · διά
  7. ἐμὲ
    eme
    I
    G1473 · ἐγώ
  8. ἡ
    hē
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  9. φωνὴ
    phōnē
    a sound
    G5456 · φωνή
  10. αὕτη
    hautē
    this
    G3778 · οὗτος
  11. γέγονεν
    gegonen
    I come into being
    G1096 · γίνομαι
  12. ἀλλὰ
    alla
    but
    G235 · ἀλλά
  13. δι᾽
    di
    through
    G1223 · διά
  14. ὑμᾶς
    hymas
    you
    G4771 · σύ