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2 Timothy 2:11Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

A faithful saying: for if we be dead with him, we shall live also with him.

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πιστος ο λογος ει γαρ συναπεθανομεν και συζησομεν

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13 Church Fathers comment on this verse

John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

Many weak people refuse the contest of faith and cannot endure the delayed fulfillment of hope. They strive after present goods and judge future things by them.

Here death, torments, and bonds stood before them. Yet Paul told his hearers that they would go into eternal life. Someone might disbelieve and say, “What are you preaching? How is it that, while I live, I die, and when I die, then I shall live? On earth you promise me nothing, and you reserve everything for heaven? You do not give the small thing, yet you promise the great?”

Therefore, lest anyone think this way, the Apostle presents an indisputable proof. He had already affirmed it earlier and brought testimony. The words, “Remember the Lord Jesus Christ, risen from the dead” (2 Tim. 2:8), mean that He rose after death.

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Now again he explains the same thing and says, “The saying is faithful,” that the one who has heavenly life will also receive eternal life. Therefore he says, “If we died with Him, we shall also live with Him.”

Indeed, tell me, if we share with Christ in sorrows and sufferings, shall we not share with Him in blessings? Even a man would not act otherwise. After attaining rest, he would not refuse fellowship to one who chose to suffer and die with him.

But when did we die with Christ? The Apostle speaks both of death through the laver of baptism and of death through sufferings. Thus he says, “We carry in the body the death of the Lord” (2 Cor. 4:10).

Again, “We were buried with Him by baptism into death” (Rom. 6:4). And again, “Our old man was crucified with Him” (Rom. 6:6). And again, “We have been united with Him in the likeness of His death” (Rom. 6:5).

Here, however, he speaks also of death through temptations, and especially of this. For he was amid temptations when he wrote this. The meaning of his words is this: if for His sake we have died, shall we not live for His sake? There is no doubt of this.

Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

He confirms the same thing by human considerations. Earlier the Apostle had already given proof of this when he said: "Remember the Lord Jesus, risen from the dead." He showed that Christ rose after death. How, then, does he confirm it? If in afflictions we share with Christ, shall we not share in His good things? A man would not act otherwise. How much more will God not act otherwise, the source of righteousness and goodness? Here the Apostle speaks both of spiritual death in baptism and of bodily death through suffering and martyrdom.

Augustine of Hippo

5th centuryChurch Father

If we must remain humble in heart with the most sincere feeling of piety throughout this pilgrimage, while we live amid temptations, how much more must we be so in those days when we not only pass the time of our humility by living through it, but also mark it by holding services?

The humility of Christ taught us to be humble, because in dying He yielded to the ungodly. The exaltation of Christ makes us exalted, because in the Resurrection He went before the pious.

The one we now observe with due reverence, since the time of His sufferings is approaching. The other we observe after Pascha, since His Resurrection takes place.

Basil the Great

4th centuryChurch Father

Being planted together in the likeness of His death, we shall certainly be raised together in Christ. This is precisely what such planting means. Now we conform the inner man to Him, according to the measure of His becoming man, in newness of life and even to obedience unto death. We do this with full assurance in the truth of His words, so that we may become worthy to say truly: "It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me" (Gal 2:20). As for the future, the Apostle affirms decisively: "If we died with Him, we shall also live with Him; if we endure, we shall also reign with Him."

Ephraem the Syrian

4th centuryChurch Father

"Faithful is the saying," that is, this saying is true: if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him.

Ambrose of Milan

4th centuryChurch Father

The Apostle says that we shall reign together with Christ in the Kingdom of Christ: "If the saying is faithful: if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him; if we endure, we shall also reign with Him." But we reign through adoption, He through authority. We reign by grace, He by nature.

Theodoret of Cyrus

5th centuryChurch Father

"Faithful is the saying," that is, true, certain, and free from falsehood. "For if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him; if we endure, we shall also reign with Him." By "we died with Him," the Apostle spoke not only of those put to death, but also of those baptized. For they too, if they believe sincerely and show a life corresponding to faith, partake of the Master's life.

Euthymios Zigabenos

11th centuryChurch Father

"Faithful is the saying." The word concerning the salvation of the elect is worthy of faith and true. Then he gives proof of this saying. "For if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him." If by our own will we died with Christ, voluntarily accepting death for Him, then we shall also live with Him in the life to come. If we shared His labors, we shall also share His delight. For anyone who has attained rest and prosperity does not neglect the one who, until that time, shared his sufferings.

Aphrahat (Jacob) the Wise

4th centuryChurch Father

Let us honor the Spirit of Christ, And then we shall receive grace from Him. Let us become strangers to the world, As Christ also was not of the world.

Let us be humble and meek, That He may give us the land of life as an inheritance. Let us serve Him without ceasing, And He will set us as ministers in the tabernacle of the saints.

Let us lift up our prayer in purity, And it will ascend to the Lord of glory. Let us share in His sufferings, That we too may live by His Resurrection.

Let us bear His mark on our flesh, That we may be delivered from the wrath to come.

Cf. Jn 17:14; Mt 5:4; Phil. 3:10; Gal. 6:17; 1 Thess. 1:10.

Nicetas of Remesiana

5th centuryChurch Father

One must believe both in His suffering according to the flesh and in His freedom from suffering according to the Godhead. We confess our unity with Christ, so that we may not be separated from Him. According to the Apostle's word, "If we died with Him, we shall also live with Him."

Ivanov A.V.

19th centuryChurch Father

Faithful is the saying. Understood in connection with what follows, this expression gives reason to suppose that the Apostle borrowed the following words from some known writing or hymn. This may be inferred from the hymnic measure of the following verses (11-13). But since no such hymn has been preserved in historical tradition or written monuments, the expression "faithful is the saying" should be referred to the Apostle's oral preaching. Or better, it should be understood as a kind of apostolic oath affirming the truth of what he has said; compare Rom 9:1 and 2 Cor 11:31.

Michail Cheraskov

19th centuryChurch Father

That is, remember that the Lord rose from the dead after a life spent in labors and sufferings. Being true man, sprung from the root of David, He showed in Himself an example for all men.

From this example everyone sees that the glory of Christ’s Resurrection was necessarily preceded by Christ’s sufferings and labors.

The holy Apostle Paul walked the same path. For he says that, because of Christ’s gospel, “I suffer even to bonds, as an evildoer. But the word of God is not bound,” and so forth.

The same path inevitably lies before every good pastor. “The saying is faithful: if we died with Him,” that is, with Christ, “we shall also live with Him. If we endure, we shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us,” and so forth.

That is, after the labors, sorrows, and even persecutions endured in the field of pastoral ministry, glory in Christ Jesus awaits pastors. By this they must encourage themselves.

Theophan the Recluse

19th centuryChurch Father

Although the crown of glory is inseparable from the attainment of salvation, the Apostle nevertheless found it necessary to confirm this with proof. “This is a faithful saying,” he says, that is, “true, undoubted, free from falsehood” (Blessed Theodoret). “What saying? That the elect will obtain salvation with eternal glory” (Blessed Theophylact).

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He immediately sets forth the proofs. This single assuring word from the mouth of God’s messenger would have been enough. Yet “when death, torments, and bonds stood before them here, and Paul told his hearers that they would pass into eternal life, someone might not believe it. He might say: What are you preaching? How can this be? While I live, I die, and when I die, I shall live? Therefore, lest anyone think this, the Apostle sets forth an indisputable proof” (Saint Chrysostom).

This proof, as everywhere in Saint Paul, is taken from the Lord’s Resurrection. Since the Lord died in the flesh, rose, and abides in glory, all who become one with Him will also rise. They become one with Him by faith, by life according to faith, and by sanctifying grace through the Mysteries. Though they die, they will later be made alive in due time (cf. Jn 11:25), and they will enter the Kingdom, eternally glorious.

The Apostle’s attention is fixed on the risen Lord. He had already commanded Saint Timothy above to remember Him, for encouragement in the labors of pastoral ministry (verse 8). Now he points to another aspect of the same Resurrection. It is meant both to awaken faith and to encourage preaching about faith. Namely, believers will rise in Christ to eternal glory. If this awaits believers, then this hope is still more certain for those who proclaim the Gospel of faith.

“If we died with Him,” συναπεθανομεν, if we died together with Him. At the hour when one resolves to cleave to the Lord by faith and to follow His commandments, something still deeper lies at its foundation. It is the readiness at every hour to die for this faith and these commandments, if required, and not to depart from them, and thereby from the Lord.

Therefore everyone who has truly believed in the Lord has already died with Him by intention. If afterward someone actually must suffer and die, this is nothing new. It is only the meeting of what was foreseen and desired beforehand. Even if someone does not have to meet anything of this kind, that first inward determination unto death is nevertheless death in God’s eyes and in the conscience.

Everyone who cleaves to the Lord in these dispositions can say with complete sincerity, together with those who have actually died for the Lord: “We died with Him.” “We shall also live with Him,” συζησομεν, that is, we shall dwell together with Him, or live with Him. Since He is in glory, we shall live with Him in an eternally glorious life, as He Himself promised: “Where I am, there shall My servant be also” (Jn 12:26).

Saint Chrysostom says: “Indeed, if we share with Christ in afflictions and sufferings, shall we not also share with Him in blessings? Even a man would not do this, that having attained rest, he would not admit into communion with himself the one who resolved to suffer and die with him.” Blessed Theophylact adds to Saint Chrysostom: “A man would not do this. How much less would God, the source of righteousness and goodness?”

But what death is meant here? Believers in the Lord die spiritually and by intention when, in Baptism, they die to sin with readiness also to die bodily for the Lord, for His faith and commandments. They also die bodily when, in times of persecution, they endure torments for the faith and are deprived of life.

How, then, should “we died” be understood here? Considering the circumstances in which Saint Paul and Saint Timothy found themselves, bodily afflictions and death fit the flow of speech more closely. Yet not all believers suffer and die for the faith, while the promise is expressed universally. Therefore the thought of spiritual death cannot be denied here.

Moreover, Saint Paul and Saint Timothy had not yet died bodily. Yet spiritually, that is, to sin, and with readiness for bodily death, they had died. They constantly remained in this death, as Saint Paul testified of himself: “I die daily” (1 Cor 15:31).

Therefore it will not be mistaken to think that “the Apostle speaks here both of death in Baptism, that is, spiritual death, and of bodily death through suffering and martyrdom” (Blessed Theophylact). Blessed Theodoret says the same: “The Apostle said this, ‘we died with Him,’ not only of those put to death, but also of those baptized. For they too, believing sincerely and showing a life in harmony with faith, partake of the Master’s life.”

Saint Chrysostom admits that the Apostle also has spiritual death in mind, but he gives primary force to bodily death. “When did we die with Christ? The Apostle speaks of death both through the laver of Baptism and through sufferings. Thus he says, ‘We were buried with Him through Baptism’ (Rom 6:4), and again, ‘Our old man was crucified with Him’ (Rom 6:6). This is spiritual death.

“But ‘always carrying about in the body the dying of the Lord’ (cf. 2 Cor 4:10), and again, ‘we were planted together in the likeness of His death’ (Rom 6:5), this is bodily death. Here he speaks also of death through temptations, and especially of this. For he was in temptations when he wrote this.

“The meaning of his words is this: if for His sake we died, shall we not also live for His sake? There is no doubt in this.” The continuation is in verse 12.

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Passages read together with this verse.

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Greek text, 8 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. Πιστὸς
    pistos
    trustworthy
    G4103 · πιστός
  2. ὁ
    ho
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  3. λόγος
    logos
    a word
    G3056 · λόγος
  4. Εἰ
    ei
    if
    G1487 · εἰ
  5. γὰρ
    gar
    for
    G1063 · γάρ
  6. συναπεθάνομεν
    synapethanomen
    I die together with
    G4880 · συναποθνήσκω
  7. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  8. συζήσομεν
    syzēsomen
    I live together with
    G4800 · συζάω