The Church Fathers on this verse

Hebrews 12:11Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

Now all chastisement for the present indeed seemeth not to bring with it joy, but sorrow: but afterwards it will yield to them that are exercised by it the most peaceable fruit of justice.

Douay-Rheims

πασα δε παιδεια προς μεν το παρον ου δοκει χαρας ειναι αλλα λυπης υστερον δε καρπον ειρηνικον τοις δι αυτης γεγυμνασμενοις αποδιδωσιν δικαιοσυνης

Greek (Byzantine text)

The Church Fathers on this verse

7 Church Fathers comment on this verse

John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

Those who take bitter medicines first experience an unpleasant feeling, and afterward perceive the benefit. Such is virtue, and such is vice. In vice there is pleasure first, and afterward sorrow. In virtue there is sorrow first, and afterward pleasure.

Yet the two are not equal. It is by no means the same to experience sorrow first and pleasure afterward, or to experience pleasure first and sorrow afterward. Why? Because in the latter case the expectation of future sorrow diminishes the present pleasure.

In the former case, the expectation of approaching pleasure greatly weakens the present sorrow. Sometimes in the one case no pleasure is even felt, and in the other no sorrow.

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Still, the difference is not only in this respect, but also in another. In what respect? In the fact that they are not equal in duration. One is shorter, and the other far greater. Such a difference is still more significant in spiritual matters.

From this Paul also takes consolation. He again appeals to common opinion, which no one can contradict as a common verdict. When someone expresses a thought acknowledged by all, everyone agrees and no one objects.

Are you grieving? he says. That is understandable. Such is always chastening; it begins in this way. Therefore he continues, “Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyful, but grievous.”

He rightly said, “seems,” because chastening is not in fact sorrow, but only appears to be so. Nor is one kind of chastening like this and another not. Every chastening is so.

“Every chastening,” he says, “for the present seems not to be joy, but sorrow,” meaning both human and spiritual chastening. Do you see how he appeals to common opinions? He says that it seems to be sorrow. Therefore it is not so in reality.

Indeed, from what sorrow can joy arise? From none. Likewise from no joy does sorrow arise.

“But afterward it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those trained by it.” Here he means not one fruit, but many fruits, expressing in this way their great abundance.

“To those trained by it,” he says. What does “trained by it” mean? Those who have long endured and suffered. Do you see what favorable expression he uses?

Thus chastening is training that makes the combatant strong, unconquerable in contests, and invincible in battles. If “every chastening” is such, then the present one is also such. Therefore one must expect from it good results, and a pleasant and peaceful end.

Do not marvel that, being bitter, it bears sweet fruits. So also with trees: the bark is almost tasteless and hard, but the fruits are sweet. He drew all this from commonly known experience.

If such results must be expected, why do you complain? Why, after enduring what is unpleasant, do you despair of what is pleasant? You have endured the unpleasant things that had to be endured. Therefore do not lose hope of the reward.

Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

“Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyful, but grievous.” Again he takes an occasion for persuasion from a general thought and says that every chastening, both divine and human, seems not to be joy, but sorrow.

He says well, “seems,” for in reality it is not sorrow. How could it properly be sorrow, when it is the mother of joy? Yet with regard to us, who receive upbringing with dissatisfaction, it is said to “seem” so.

“But afterward it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those trained by it.” What does “peaceful” mean? It means unshaken, light, and pleasant. One who grieves feels confusion, while one who rejoices feels a certain lightness and calm.

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This is the fruit of righteousness, because God, being righteous, gives rest there to those who grieve in this age. Notice that he calls upbringing training, γυμνασίαν, since it strengthens believers and makes them like athletes, firmer and more steadfast.

Why, then, do you avoid what strengthens your souls?

Ephraem the Syrian

4th centuryChurch Father

For every chastening seems for a time to be not joy but sorrow. Afterwards it gives good fruit to those who have been trained, and they receive benefit from it. Righteousness serves as their reward. The Apostle said this to prove that, although they make progress through his instruction, this occurs only with a righteous recompense given to them, and with grace.

Theodoret of Cyrus

5th centuryChurch Father

The beginnings of every training are sorrowful and extremely grievous, but they bring forth wondrous fruits: peace according to God and praiseworthy righteousness. So also the Lord said that "the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life" (Mt 7:14).

Euthymios Zigabenos

11th centuryChurch Father

“For every chastening for the present seems not to be joy.” He again takes the occasion for persuasion from a general thought. He appropriately said, “seems not,” for chastening leads to joy and later appears as the mother of heartfelt gladness. Yet it “seems not” so to those who bear it with heaviness.

“But sorrow.” It is borne with difficulty in the present life, and especially at the beginning it produces great sorrow. By the word “every” he means both human, bodily chastening and spiritual chastening.

“Afterward it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those trained by it.” At the end, or after the end, it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness. That is, it brings an undisturbed and pleasant fruit of virtue to those who have received moral training through chastening.

These are those who, for a long time and with great patience, have endured it, knowing that it trains ascetics and makes them stronger and more perfect in virtue.

Philaret of Moscow (Drosdow)

19th centuryChurch Father

The heavenly Father wishes to form in you His son by grace. For this He assigns you difficult lessons, strict trials, and chastisements that strongly instruct.

According to the Apostle’s assurance, “If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons. For every chastening seems at the present time not to be joy, but sorrow; afterward it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those trained by it” (Heb 12:7, 11).

Your lessons, trials, and chastisements are heavy. But would it be better for you to be relieved of them, to remain without the fruits of righteousness, and not to attain the dignity of a son of God by grace?

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The heavenly Physician gives you a bitter medicine against a sickness perhaps unnoticed by you, but not hidden from His all-penetrating omniscience. You do not want the bitterness. But would it be better for you not to taste bitterness, and to carry in your soul a sickness and the seed of eternal death?

Rosanow N.P.

19th centuryChurch Father

Finally, in general, the beginning of every teaching is difficult, but teaching brings good fruit.

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Passages read together with this verse.

The original text

Greek text, 23 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. πᾶσα
    pasa
    all
    G3956 · πᾶς
  2. δὲ
    de
    but
    G1161 · δέ
  3. παιδεία
    paideia
    discipline
    G3809 · παιδεία
  4. πρὸς
    pros
    to
    G4314 · πρός
  5. μὲν
    men
    truly
    G3303 · μέν
  6. τὸ
    to
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  7. παρὸν
    paron
    I am present
    G3918 · πάρειμι
  8. οὐ
    ou
    no
    G3756 · οὐ
  9. δοκεῖ
    dokei
    I think
    G1380 · δοκέω
  10. χαρᾶς
    charas
    joy
    G5479 · χαρά
  11. εἶναι
    einai
    I am
    G1510 · εἰμί
  12. ἀλλὰ
    alla
    but
    G235 · ἀλλά
  13. λύπης
    lypēs
    pain
    G3077 · λύπη
  14. ὕστερον
    hysteron
    later
    G5306 · ὕστερος
  15. δὲ
    de
    but
    G1161 · δέ
  16. καρπὸν
    karpon
    fruit
    G2590 · καρπός
  17. εἰρηνικὸν
    eirēnikon
    peaceable
    G1516 · εἰρηνικός
  18. τοῖς
    tois
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  19. δι᾽
    di
    through
    G1223 · διά
  20. αὐτῆς
    autēs
    he
    G846 · αὐτός
  21. γεγυμνασμένοις
    gegymnasmenois
    I train by physical exercise
    G1128 · γυμνάζω
  22. ἀποδίδωσιν
    apodidōsin
    I give back
    G591 · ἀποδίδωμι
  23. δικαιοσύνης
    dikaiosynēs
    justice
    G1343 · δικαιοσύνη