The Church Fathers on this verse

Hebrews 12:10Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

And they indeed for a few days, according to their own pleasure, instructed us: but he, for our profit, that we might receive his sanctification.

Douay-Rheims

οι μεν γαρ προς ολιγας ημερας κατα το δοκουν αυτοις επαιδευον ο δε επι το συμφερον εις το μεταλαβειν της αγιοτητος αυτου

Greek (Byzantine text)

The Church Fathers on this verse

8 Church Fathers comment on this verse

John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

Moreover, the difference here is not only in this, nor only in the persons, but also in the very motives and actions. God and fleshly parents do not punish from the same motive.

Therefore the Apostle adds, "For they disciplined us for a few days according to their own judgment, but He for our profit, that we may share His holiness."

That is, they often do this for their own pleasure and do not always have our benefit in view. But this cannot be said here. God does this not for any purpose of His own, but for you, solely for your profit.

They discipline you so that you may be useful to them, and often in vain. Here nothing of the sort occurs. Do you see what consolation arises from this as well?

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We are especially attached to those in whom we see that they do not command or instruct us from purposes of their own. All their care tends toward our benefit.

Then love is sincere and true, when someone loves us even though we are entirely useless to the one who loves. So also God loves us, not to receive anything from us, but to give to us.

He disciplines, does everything, and takes every measure, so that we may become capable of receiving His good things.

"They," the Apostle says, "disciplined us for a few days according to their own judgment, but He for our profit, that we may share His holiness."

What does "His holiness" mean? It means purity, so that we may become worthy of Him, as far as possible. He is concerned that you receive, and He uses every measure in order to give to you.

Yet you do not strive to receive. "I said to the Lord," says the Psalmist, "You are my Lord; You have no need of my goods" (Ps 16:2).

Well did he say, "They disciplined us for a few days according to their own judgment," because what pleases men is not always useful. "But He for our profit, that we may share His holiness."

Therefore discipline is useful. Therefore discipline brings holiness. And indeed it does.

If it destroys sloth, corrupt desires, and attachment to worldly things, if it gathers the soul together and disposes it to despise everything here, then is it not holy? Does it not draw the grace of the Spirit?

Let us therefore always set the righteous before ourselves and remember why they were all glorified. First of all, Abel and Noah. Was it not through sorrows?

Indeed, it is impossible for one righteous man not to grieve amid such a multitude of the ungodly. "Noah," Scripture says, "was a righteous and blameless man in his generation. Noah walked before God" (Gen 6:9).

Consider this. Even now, with so many men, fathers, and teachers whose virtues we can imitate, we still experience so many sorrows. How much must he have suffered, being alone among so many?

But should I speak of what happened at the wondrous and extraordinary flood? Should I speak of Abraham, of what he had to endure? His continual wanderings, the loss of his wife, dangers, battles, and temptations?

Should I speak of Jacob, and how many misfortunes he endured, being driven out from every side, laboring in vain, and wearing himself out for others?

There is no need to recount all his trials. It is enough to cite the testimony he himself gave in his conversation with Pharaoh.

"The days of the years of my sojourning are one hundred and thirty years. Few and evil have been the days of the years of my life, and they have not reached the years of my fathers in the days of their sojourning" (Gen 47:9).

Should I speak of Joseph, Moses, Joshua, David, Samuel, Elijah, Daniel, and all the prophets? You will find that all of them were glorified through sorrows.

And you, tell me, do you wish to be glorified through pleasures and luxury? This is impossible. Should I speak of the apostles? They too surpassed all men in sorrows.

But what am I saying? Christ Himself also said, "In the world you will have tribulation" (Jn 16:33). And again, "You will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice" (Jn 16:20).

"For strait is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life, and few find it" (Mt 7:14). The Lord of this way said that it is narrow and strait. Do you seek a broad one?

Is this not senseless? Therefore you will not attain life, because you are going by another way. You will attain destruction, because you have chosen the way that leads there.

Do you wish me to tell you and set before you people devoted to luxury? Let us turn from later men to the most ancient.

The rich man burning in the fire, the Jews devoted to the belly, for whom the belly was god, and who constantly sought pleasures in the wilderness, why did they perish?

Like the contemporaries of Noah, was it not because they chose this luxurious and corrupt life? So too the Sodomites perished through gluttony. "Fullness of bread," it says, "and idleness" (Ezek 16:49).

This was said of the Sodomites. If fullness of bread produced so much evil, what shall we say of other pleasures?

Was Esau not intemperate? Were not those sons of God like this, who were seduced by women and dragged into the abyss? Were not those like this who satisfied lust with men?

Did not all the pagan kings, Babylonian and Egyptian, end their lives miserably? Were they not handed over to torment?

But tell me, does not the same happen now? Hear what Christ says: "Those who wear soft clothing are in kings' palaces" (Mt 11:8). But those who do not wear such clothing are in heaven.

Soft clothing weakens even a firm soul. It makes it delicate and unsettled. However strong and robust the body it clothes may be, through such luxury it soon becomes delicate and weak.

Tell me, why do you think women are so weak? Is it only by nature? No, but also from their way of life and upbringing.

A delicate upbringing, idleness, baths, anointings, abundance of fragrances, and a soft bed make them so. To understand this, listen to what I say.

Take some plant from a group of trees growing in the wilderness and shaken by winds. Plant it in a moist and shaded place. You will see it become worse than it was when you first took it.

That this is true is proved by women brought up in villages. They are much stronger than city men and could overcome many of them.

When the body becomes delicate, the soul necessarily suffers the same evil with it. The operations of the soul mostly correspond to the condition of the body.

During illnesses we are different because of weakness, and during health we are again different. It is like musical instruments. When the strings give soft and weak sounds because they are not well stretched, the excellence of the art is diminished.

The art is forced to submit to the weakness of the strings. So also in the body, the soul suffers much harm and great constraint from it. It experiences bitter slavery when the body needs frequent treatment.

Therefore I exhort you, let us strive to make it strong, not sickly. I say this not only to men, but also to women.

Why, woman, do you constantly weaken your body through luxury and make it useless? Why do you destroy its strength with fatness? Fatness is weakness for it, not strength.

If you leave this and conduct yourself differently, then bodily beauty will appear as you desire, as soon as there is strength and freshness.

But if, on the contrary, you subject it to countless illnesses, then you will have neither healthy color nor freshness. You will constantly feel unwell.

You know that a good house is beautiful when clear weather shines upon it. So also a beautiful face becomes still better through a cheerful disposition of soul. When the soul is gloomy and sorrowful, the face becomes uglier.

Gloom comes from illnesses and disordered health. Illnesses come from the body's being weakened by satiety. For this reason too you must avoid satiety, if you believe me.

But you will say, there is some pleasure in satiety. Not so much pleasure as unpleasantness. The pleasure is limited only to the throat and tongue.

When the meal is over, or when the food is eaten, you become like one who did not share in the meal. Indeed, you become much worse than he.

You carry away from it heaviness, weakness, headache, and an inclination to sleep resembling death. Often you also carry away sleeplessness from satiety, shortness of breath, and belching.

A thousand times you curse your stomach, when you ought to curse intemperance.

Therefore let us not fatten the body, but listen to Paul, who says, "Make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its desires" (Rom 13:14).

The man who stuffs his stomach acts as though someone took food and threw it into a filthy pit. Or rather, he does something much worse.

The latter only fills the pit without harming himself. The former brings upon himself a thousand illnesses.

Only what is taken in the necessary measure and can be digested nourishes us. What exceeds necessity not only fails to nourish, but also brings harm.

Yet no one notices this, being deceived by an absurd pleasure and habitual attachment. Do you wish to nourish the body? Then leave aside excess. Give it what is necessary, and as much as it can digest.

Do not overload it, lest you sink it. What is taken in the necessary measure both nourishes and gives pleasure. Truly, nothing gives such pleasure as food well digested.

Nothing contributes so much to health. Nothing so preserves the liveliness of the senses. Nothing so prevents illnesses.

Thus what is taken in the necessary measure serves for nourishment, pleasure, and health. What is excessive serves for harm, unpleasantness, and illnesses.

Satiety produces what hunger produces, or even something much worse. Hunger in a short time weakens a man and brings him to death.

But satiety corrodes the body and produces decay in it. It subjects the body to prolonged illness and then to a most grievous death.

Yet we consider hunger unbearable, while we rush toward satiety, which is more harmful than hunger. From where comes this sickness in us? From where comes such madness?

I do not say that one must waste oneself away. Rather, one must take food so that the body may receive pleasure, true pleasure, and be nourished.

It should be well ordered, reliable, strong, and a capable instrument for the actions of the soul. But if it is overfilled with food, that food will, so to speak, tear apart its very bolts and joints.

Then it can no longer hold back this flood. The invading flood tears and destroys everything.

"Make no provision for the flesh," he says, "to fulfill its desires." He rightly said, "desires," because satiety is food for corrupt desires.

The one who is sated, even if he were wiser than all, necessarily suffers some harm from wine and foods. He necessarily feels weakness, and necessarily kindles a fierce flame within himself.

From this comes fornication. From this comes adultery. A hungry stomach cannot stir up fleshly lust, nor can a stomach satisfied with moderate food.

Corrupt desires are born in a stomach given over to satiety. Earth that is too wet, and manure that is watered and has too much moisture, bring forth worms.

By contrast, earth without such dampness brings abundant fruits, because it contains nothing excessive. Even when uncultivated it grows grass, and when cultivated it brings forth fruit.

So it is with us. Therefore let us not make our flesh useless, unfit, or harmful. Let us bring forth in it good fruits and fruitful plants.

Let us take care that they not wither from satiety. For even they can rot and produce worms instead of fruits. Thus inborn lust, if you feed it beyond measure, produces vile pleasures, and exceedingly vile ones.

Let us therefore destroy this evil in ourselves by every means, that we may be counted worthy of the promised good things in Christ Jesus our Lord, with Whom to the Father, together with the Holy Spirit, be glory, dominion, and honor, now and ever, and unto the ages of ages. Amen.

Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

They chastened us according to their own will for a few days. “According to their own will.” Certainly what pleases a father does not always benefit a son, for many even teach shameful things.

“For a few days.” They cannot educate us throughout all time, so as to make us perfect. Either the father’s death, or maturity, or the son’s harshness stops the upbringing. But God, always educating, can make perfect.

“But He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness.” God directs upbringing for our benefit, not in order to receive anything from us, but to make us share still more in His holiness, that is, His purity.

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This means that we may become capable of receiving His good things. Therefore upbringing is participation in holiness, and this is entirely natural. For it turns the soul toward the holy God, not allowing it to turn toward anything human.

Ephraem the Syrian

4th centuryChurch Father

This is because, he says, our fathers chastened us for a little while according to their own will, since they strengthened and exhorted us concerning what was harmful to us. But God acts in us for the benefit of the ages to come, to make us partakers of His riches.

Theodoret of Cyrus

5th centuryChurch Father

Concerning fathers according to the flesh he said, "as seemed best to them," because not all teach what is profitable. But when speaking of God, he showed the fruit of chastening, for he says: "It is pleasing to Him to make us holy and partakers of His holiness." Then he speaks with precision.

Euthymios Zigabenos

11th centuryChurch Father

“For they indeed chastened us for a few days, as seemed best to them.” For a short time, because among men either the son’s maturity, or the father’s death, or some other circumstance interrupts chastening. But God, chastening a man over a long time, makes the one chastened perfect.

“As seemed best to them” means as it seemed useful to them, though it was not in accord with the true advantage and benefit of the children being chastened. For in this case those who chasten fulfill their own personal will and act according to their own desire. They do not always look to the benefit of those being chastened.

“But He for our profit.” God chastens solely for the benefit of the son being chastened and for his perfection. He has no need of any benefit for Himself, as happens among men.

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What is the goal for which God chastens? “That we may be partakers of His holiness.” This means that, having become worthy of such a Father, we may become partakers of His purity.

When a man who is chastened puts away from himself every evil, gathers his soul into itself, and enriches it with every good, then he draws to himself the grace of the Holy Spirit.

Tichon of Zadonsk

18th centuryChurch Father

A father punishes his children for their faults, but with love. So also God, the heavenly Father, chastens Christians for their sinning, not from wrath, but from love.

“For whom the Lord loves, He chastens, and He scourges every son whom He receives. If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons. For what son is there whom a father does not chasten?” (Heb 12:6-7).

Good children humble themselves, confess their faults, and acknowledge themselves guilty before their father. So also Christians must humble themselves, confess their sins from the heart, acknowledge their unrighteousness, and confess, “It is good for me that You humbled me” (Ps 118:71).

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A father chastens his children so that they may be honorable. God chastens us so that we may have a share in His holiness (Heb 12:10).

A father prepares an inheritance for his children. So also God prepares eternal life and the heavenly kingdom as an inheritance for Christians. A father gives the inheritance to his children in due time.

So also God, when the time comes, will give the inheritance to Christians and will say to them with consolation, “Come, blessed of My Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world” (Mt 25:34).

Ivanov A.V.

19th centuryChurch Father

"They chastened us for a few days, as seemed best to them." The "few days" means the present life, or, more precisely, the time of upbringing.

Rosanow N.P.

19th centuryChurch Father

Besides the awareness that afflictions are sent upon us by our all-loving Father, God, the thought that through these sufferings our Father wishes to make us holy should also move us to firmness in suffering.

The strictness in upbringing that we saw toward ourselves from our parents had as its result the establishment in us of fear and respect for them, ένετρεπόμεθα. But the strictness of the heavenly Father grants us eternal life, ζήαομεν.

The fathers who gave us corruptible flesh acted in the matter of our upbringing according to their own judgment. This, of course, could depend on various influences. Moreover, they governed us only during the brief period of our childhood.

By contrast, the heavenly Father cares exclusively for our true benefit, for our salvation, and He does not limit the time of our upbringing.

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Greek text, 22 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. Οἱ
    hoi
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  2. μὲν
    men
    truly
    G3303 · μέν
  3. γὰρ
    gar
    for
    G1063 · γάρ
  4. πρὸς
    pros
    to
    G4314 · πρός
  5. ὀλίγας
    oligas
    small
    G3641 · ὀλίγος
  6. ἡμέρας
    hēmeras
    a day
    G2250 · ἡμέρα
  7. κατὰ
    kata
    down from
    G2596 · κατά
  8. τὸ
    to
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  9. δοκοῦν
    dokoun
    I think
    G1380 · δοκέω
  10. αὐτοῖς
    autois
    he
    G846 · αὐτός
  11. ἐπαίδευον
    epaideuon
    I discipline
    G3811 · παιδεύω
  12. ὁ
    ho
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  13. δὲ
    de
    but
    G1161 · δέ
  14. ἐπὶ
    epi
    on
    G1909 · ἐπί
  15. τὸ
    to
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  16. συμφέρον
    sympheron
    I collect
    G4851 · συμφέρω
  17. εἰς
    eis
    into
    G1519 · εἰς
  18. τὸ
    to
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  19. μεταλαβεῖν
    metalabein
    I share in
    G3335 · μεταλαμβάνω
  20. τῆς
    tēs
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  21. ἁγιότητος
    hagiotētos
    holiness
    G41 · ἁγιότης
  22. αὐτοῦ
    autou
    he
    G846 · αὐτός