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Isaiah 8:10Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

Take counsel together, and it shall be defeated: speak a word, and it shall not be done: because God is with us.

Douay-Rheims

עֻ֥צוּ עֵצָ֖ה וְתֻפָ֑ר דַּבְּר֤וּ דָבָר֙ וְלֹ֣א יָק֔וּם כִּ֥י עִמָּ֖נוּ אֵֽל׃

Hebrew (Masoretic text)

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6 Church Fathers comment on this verse

John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

The Lord will bring to ruin the plans of those who conspire, and the words you utter will not prevail, for God is present among us. Their motives were wicked, seeking to bring down the city itself and return to their homes unscathed. The prophet unveils their intentions, declaring that their efforts will amount to mere talk. As he proclaims actions that surpass human capability, he continually emphasizes the majesty of the One performing them, asserting, 'For God is with us'; He alone will dismantle all these schemes; to Him be the glory.

Cyrill of Alexandria

5th centuryChurch Father

Look at verses 9. Therefore, if you believed, He says, that you had triumphed by putting the Lord to death, only to later obey and favorably accept the faith, know this: should you again reject the doctrine and vehemently denounce those who proclaim the gospel, you will ultimately be judged by the One who punishes and brings condemnation for such prolonged foolishness. This has already happened. After Christ's resurrection and ascension to heaven, the Jews conspired against the holy Apostles, bringing them before the Sanhedrin and scourging them, accusing them and saying, "Is it not by prohibition that you forbid yourselves to speak of this name to any man? Behold, Jerusalem is filled with your teaching" (Acts 5:28).

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Thus, it appeared that they succeeded in this matter; however, their efforts—counsel, investigation, and prohibition—were futile, for the divine disciples emerged victorious, proclaiming, "The Lord God is with us." Yet, they endured severe hardships, having reluctantly submitted to the Roman armies.

Basil the Great

4th centuryChurch Father

He will overthrow the wisdom of the wise and disregard the insight of the discerning (cf. Is. 29:14). Consequently, the schemes of humanity render the great Angelic Council futile (Is. 9:6), and human words attempt to diminish the Word of God to nothing; the Prophet declares that no such utterance shall endure among you, for God is with us! In times of trial, it has been beneficial for us to boldly declare to the nations, ‘If you attempt it again, you will meet defeat once more.’ For those who have persistently opposed the Church of Christ have continually been brought low. Like individuals who stoke a fire by adding more fuel, they inadvertently elevate the Church to greater splendor and strength with each act of persecution they unleash.

Ephraem the Syrian

4th centuryChurch Father

Tremble, O nations, and turn from your ways. If you engage in your plans, the Lord will bring your schemes to ruin, revealing the foolishness of your intentions. The words you utter will not endure. You articulate concepts, yet those very concepts will not come to fruition; they will be brought to ruin by Immanuel, the Lord, our protector.

Jerome of Stridon

4th centuryChurch Father

Come together, O nations, yet you shall find defeat; listen, distant lands: prepare yourselves, but you shall encounter defeat; firm yourselves, but you shall be conquered; assemble a council, but it will come to ruin; speak a decree, but it will not be fulfilled, for God is with us. The Septuagint has chosen to use the word "sensible" instead of "gather" or "weaken" as seen in various translations, due to the resemblance between the letters of the Hebrew word goy. Thus, O nations of Samaria and Syria, recognize your impotence and frailty, for you can achieve nothing against the holy city of God, when Immanuel is present.

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This truth applies not only to your neighboring nations, but to every distant territory as well: even if you rally your forces and prepare for conflict, and even if your besieging numbers exceed those who defend, I proclaim again, you will suffer defeat. Any scheme you devise against Jerusalem shall be thwarted. And even though you aim to invade Judah, disturbing his peace and placing the son of Tabeel as ruler, such intentions will not materialize, for God is with us—Immanuel. This assurance likewise serves as a testimony against the Gentiles during times of persecution; although they may appear formidable and overcome us through the fallen, they too are vanquished through those who sacrifice their lives for Christ. Following the trials, peace shall prevail within the churches, and every plot of the Gentiles against Immanuel will be brought to nothing, for God is with us. Those who resist the truth will ultimately learn that their opposition leads to defeat on just grounds, rather than falling to deceit, for the wrong cannot overpower the right.

Vissarion (Nechaev)

19th centuryCommentator

The term "council" refers to the gatherings and decisions made by the kings of Israel and Syria, who sought to overthrow Ahaz, dismantle the house of David, and bring down the kingdom of Judah. The prophet declares that their plans will not come to fruition because God, Emmanuel, is with us as our Provider and Helper. This passage is read on the eve of the Nativity of Christ as it commemorates the fulfillment of the prophecy regarding Emmanuel. Through His birth, God entered into an inseparable bond with humanity; He assumed our humanity, walked among us, shared in our struggles, felt our afflictions, and after ascending with our flesh into heaven, He remains present in His Church, which is His body. Indeed, God is with us!

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The Church of Christ represents a spiritual kingdom that is meant to endure until the culmination of all things, despite facing relentless adversaries. The antagonists of Judah during Ahaz's reign serve as a foreshadowing of the enemies of Christ and His Church. If the former were vanquished by the might of Emmanuel, how much more evident would His victorious strength be against the enemies of the New Testament Church He established? Hostility against Christ commenced at His very birth. Herod, who conspired to eliminate the infant King and, in doing so, His kingdom before it could even take form, mirrors the coalition that sought to dismantle the royal lineage of David. This Herod stands as a precursor to all who would persecute Christ and His Church thereafter. Yet, the history of the Church of Christ reveals how futile their plots have been. The promise of Christ has consistently manifested in her journey and will continue to do so until the end of time: "I am with you always, even to the end of the age," a promise that embodies the essence of His name—Emmanuel: God is with us.

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