The Church Fathers on this verse

John 12:34Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

The multitude answered him: We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever. And how sayest thou: The Son of man must be lifted up? Who is this Son of man?

Douay-Rheims

απεκριθη αυτω ο οχλος ημεις ηκουσαμεν εκ του νομου οτι ο χριστος μενει εις τον αιωνα και πως συ λεγεις δει υψωθηναι τον υιον του ανθρωπου τις εστιν ουτος ο υιος του ανθρωπου

Greek (Byzantine text)

The Church Fathers on this verse

12 Church Fathers comment on this verse

John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

Falsehood is powerless and is easily exposed, even though outwardly it is painted with many colors.

Those who plaster walls near collapse cannot repair them by such plastering. So also, when people speak falsehood, they are easily exposed.

This is exactly what happened now with the Jews. When Christ said, "When I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all to Myself" (Jn 12:32), they answered, "We have heard from the Law that Christ remains forever. How then do You say that the Son of Man must be lifted up? Who is this Son of Man?"

Thus they knew that Christ is an immortal person and has endless life. Therefore they also understood what He was saying.

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In Scripture, too, suffering and resurrection are spoken of together in many places. Isaiah, for example, sets both together when he says, "Like a sheep He was led to the slaughter" (Is 53:7), and so on.

David also joins both in the second psalm, as in many others. The patriarch Jacob, after saying, "He stooped down, he lay as a lion," added, "And as a lioness: who shall rouse him?" (Gen 49:9). By this he points both to suffering and to resurrection.

But the Jews say that Christ remains forever because they thought by this to stop His mouth and show that He is not the Christ.

See their malice. They did not say, "We have heard that Christ must not suffer, that He must not be crucified." Instead they said, "that He remains forever," although these words do not constitute an objection. Suffering was no obstacle to immortality.

From this one can see that they understood many things that might have seemed ambiguous, and that they acted maliciously by their own will.

Since Christ had spoken above about death, when they heard here the word "to be lifted up," they came precisely to the thought of death.

Then they say, "Who is this Son of Man?" This too is said with an evil intent.

"Do not think," they say, "that we understand You here. Do not say that we contradict You because of hostility toward You. See, we do not even know of whom You are speaking, and nevertheless we state our opinion."

Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

Thinking to expose the Lord and put Him in difficulty as not being the true Christ, they say: "If Christ is immortal, and You say of Yourself that You will die, how shall we believe that You are truly the Christ?"

They spoke this maliciously. For the Scripture, which they call the Law, mentions not only the Resurrection, but also the Passion.

Thus Isaiah points to both things: to the Passion and death, when he says, "He was led as a sheep to the slaughter"; and to the Resurrection, when he says, "The Lord desires to cleanse Him from the wound and to show Him light"; Is 53:11.

David also mentions death and Resurrection together. For he says, "You will not leave my soul in Hades" (Ps 15:10).

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Likewise the patriarch, blessing Judah, prophesies of Christ: "He lay down, He slept as a lion and as a young lion. Who shall awaken Him?" (Gen 49:9).

Therefore, when they rejected the sufferings of Christ and ascribed Resurrection to Him, they acted maliciously.

"We know from the Law," that is, from Scripture, for, as we have often observed, the whole of Scripture is called the Law, "that Christ remains forever."

You know this rightly, for He remains forever. As God, He remains also after the Resurrection.

But how did you not learn of the sufferings, when the very same Scriptures, as we have shown, teach both together?

"How then," they say, "do You say that the Son of Man must be lifted up?" Do you see that they understood many things even from the Lord’s figurative sayings?

For example, they understood that by the words "to be lifted up" He was speaking of the Cross.

Yes, they truly understood much, but by their evil will they hid behind ignorance.

Mark, then, what they say. "How do You say that the Son of Man must be lifted up? Who is this Son of Man?" Their speech is full of malice.

They speak as though saying: "Although we do not know of whom You speak, or who the Son of Man is, we nevertheless clearly understand this truth. Whoever is to be lifted up, whoever he may be, is not Christ.

This is incompatible, for the Scriptures say that Christ is immortal."

Cyrill of Alexandria

5th centuryChurch Father

This is said, as we have stated, by those who thought that He called the Crucifixion a "lifting up." It was their custom to express things connected with extreme calamities in more pleasing words.

Therefore they attempt to prove from Scripture that Christ speaks falsely. For, they say, it does not affirm that Christ will appear only for a time, since it says of Him: "You are a priest forever" (Ps 109:4).

"How then do You say" that I am Christ, when You call Yourself one who is to undergo death?

In their lack of understanding, the Jews say that He is not Christ because of His suffering. Yet they do not say that it had been written that Christ must suffer, rise, and ascend to the Father.

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For He was to be minister of the holy things and high priest of our souls; Heb 8:2. As the One who is higher and immortal, He came to life again.

Scripture foretells not only that He will come in this common and human form; Phil 2:7 and following. It also foretells that He will die for the life of all and live again, breaking the bonds of death.

Because of this, the statement that Christ "remains forever" is fully accomplished. Having proved superior to corruption and death, He ascended to the Father.

Augustine of Hippo

5th centuryChurch Father

He was speaking, as they understood, about what they intended to do. Therefore it was not the wisdom placed in these words that disclosed their hidden meaning to them, but the pangs of conscience.

They kept in memory that the Lord often called Himself the Son of Man. For in this place He Himself did not say of Himself, "If the Son of Man is lifted up from the earth."

But He had called Himself this earlier, in what was read and examined yesterday, when the Gentiles who desired to see Him were mentioned: "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified" (Jn 12:23).

Holding this in their mind, and also what He had just said when He signified death on the Cross, "when I am lifted up from the earth," they asked Him:

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"We have heard from the Law that Christ remains forever. How do You say that the Son of Man must be lifted up? And who is this Son of Man?"

"For if He is Christ," they say, "then Christ remains forever. If He remains forever, how will He be lifted up from the earth, that is, how will He die in the torments of the Cross?"

For they understood that He had said what they themselves had planned to do. Thus He explained these dark words, not by filling them with wisdom, but by wounding their conscience.

Ephraem the Syrian

4th centuryChurch Father

"We have heard from the Law that Christ lives forever." The same is contained in the following sayings: "The scepter shall not depart until He comes to whom it belongs"; cf. Gen 49:10. And, "The Lord God will raise up for you a Prophet like me. Him you shall hear"; cf. Deut 18:18.

"But You say that the Son of Man must be lifted up." That is, they understand the words of this place as referring to the future end of the world, since they say there can be only one coming.

Or they said, "We have heard from the Law," with reference to all the prophets, as also in the following: "As it is written in their Law, They hated Me without cause"; cf. Jn 15:25.

This is written in David: "They hated Me unjustly with hatred"; cf. Ps 24:19. And again: "Sinners hated me without cause"; cf. Ps 34:19.

In the words "We have heard from the Law," the prophets too may be understood under the Law, as the cited example shows; Jn 15:25.

Euthymios Zigabenos

11th centuryChurch Father

"The people answered Him, We have heard from the Law that Christ remains forever. How do You say, The Son of Man must be lifted up?" Here they simply call the divine Scripture the Law.

In many places it speaks of the immortality of Jesus Christ according to His Godhead, just as it also speaks of His mortality according to His humanity, especially in the Psalms of David.

But observe the craftiness of these people. Earlier they had heard Jesus Christ speak about His death and say that the Son of Man must be lifted up; Jn 3:14; Jn 8:28.

Now, when Jesus Christ added, "If I am lifted up," the hearers understood that by lifting up He meant death, though they did not know that He was speaking specifically of death on the Cross.

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Therefore they thought to convict Him of not being Christ, as though saying: "We have heard from Scripture that Christ does not die. How then do You say that He must die?"

Then, so that it might not appear that they were saying this about Him, they add, "Who is the Son of Man?"

If He is Christ, then He does not die. If He dies, then He is not Christ.

But your words are vain, foolish men! Both things are true: He is immortal according to the Godhead, and mortal according to the humanity.

Yet Jesus Christ did not now explain in what sense He is immortal and in what sense mortal, knowing that His hearers would not now understand discourse about His Godhead.

Notice also that these people continue to act craftily even after they had heard the voice from heaven and had themselves said that an angel had spoken to Him.

Alexander Gorsky

19th centuryChurch Father

Finally, the Lord concluded His public ministry with words of warning to the people: “Come to your senses while there is still time. The divine light will remain among you only a little longer. Use this brief time to dispose yourselves to receive the light of God with faith. Strive to become sons of light, lest, having become estranged from the light, you sink forever into darkness and go irresistibly to your destruction.”

Bogolepow D.P.

19th centuryChurch Father

The words of Jesus Christ about His being lifted up from the earth scandalized the people.

The interpreters of the Law, that is, of Scripture, had instilled in them, probably on the basis of such passages as Is 9:6; Ps 109:4; Dan 7:13 and others, that Christ, after He came, would reign eternally on earth.

Jesus Christ usually called Himself, as here at the beginning of the discourse in verse 23, the Son of Man. On the basis of His works and teaching, the people had become accustomed to think that this was the same as Messiah.

Yet here the Lord says that He must be lifted up from the earth. The people probably understood this to mean that Jesus must ascend to heaven, like Enoch and Elijah.

Does this mean, then, that the Son of Man is not the Messiah? Who is He?

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In reply to this, Jesus Christ affirms the truth of the thought that He must depart from men and deprive them of His visible presence. From this He draws moral instructions.

He is the light of the world; Jn 1:4. While this light acts among men not only invisibly, but also visibly, it is the most convenient time for them to be enlightened by Him.

It is the time to believe in Him and become sons of light. They must hasten to make use of this time while the light remains among them.

Otherwise, afterward, the darkness of prejudices and all kinds of errors will envelop them still more, and then wandering in this darkness will be their lot; 1 Jn 2:11.

Gladkow B.I.

19th centuryChurch Father

Despite these explanations, the people still did not wish to believe that the Messiah could die.

Therefore someone from the people, probably instigated by the Pharisees, or perhaps one of their disciples, asked Jesus:

"We have heard from the books of Scripture prophecies that Christ remains forever, that His Kingdom is eternal. Therefore He cannot die.

How then do You say that the Son of Man must be crucified, lifted up on the Cross? If, by calling Yourself the Son of Man, You speak of Yourself and of Your death, then You are not Christ.

But if You are not speaking of Yourself, then who is this Son of Man?"

Michail (Lusin)

19th centuryChurch Father

"The people answered," and so on: the people, not the Jews, that is, not the party hostile to the Lord, with the Pharisees at its head, but the crowd, among whom there were undoubtedly some favorably disposed toward Him.

Therefore the people’s question has the character of bewilderment, not malicious and crafty questioning intended to trap the Lord, such as the hostile party constantly proposed to Him.

The people understood that when the Lord spoke of His being lifted up, He was speaking of His death and departure from this world.

They also knew that the Lord, calling Himself by the humble name Son of Man, thereby designated Himself as the Messiah, the Christ.

They came into bewilderment about what this lifting up meant, the departure from the world of the Messiah, the Son of Man.

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According to the corrupted Jewish idea of the Messiah, He was to be an earthly king, and His earthly kingdom was to continue forever.

Now the people hear from the Lord that the ruler of this world, the devil, the king and god of the Gentile world according to the Jewish idea, will be cast out of the world.

Yet the Messiah, the Son of Man, as the Lord Jesus calls Himself, will also be lifted up from the earth. Who, then, will remain king on the earth?

Who, then, is the Messiah: You, or will it be someone else? cf. Mt 11:3 and parallels.

"We have heard": this shows that the people are speaking, not the scribes and teachers of the people. They would have said, "We know," or, "We read"; cf. Jn 9:24, 29 and others.

"From the Law": by the Law was sometimes meant the whole body of Old Testament canonical books, not only the books of Moses; cf. the note on Jn 10:34-36.

"Christ remains forever," that is, according to the corrupted Jewish idea, His Kingdom will be eternal on earth.

Probably they have in mind Old Testament prophetic passages in which the Messiah is figuratively represented as establishing, on the ruins of Gentile kingdoms after judgment upon them, a new eternal Kingdom; Is 9:6; Ps 2; Ps 109:2-4; Dan 7:13 and following, and parallels.

"How then do You say," and so on: the Lord said, "I shall be lifted up." The people place in His mouth the expression, "The Son of Man must be lifted up."

Either the people themselves know that Christ called Himself the Son of Man as Messiah, or they knew this name from the indicated passage in Daniel as a title of the Messiah, and applied it to the Lord Jesus.

Or the Evangelist gives the Lord’s words in abbreviated form. Perhaps the Lord, in this discourse, called Himself the Son of Man, as He loved to do.

Philaret (Gumilevski)

19th centuryChurch Father

Verses 34-36. The Jewish people, corrupted by self-loving teachers and leaders, formed for themselves the opinion that the Messiah would establish a kingdom on earth and would rule forever.

The prophecies about the spiritual Kingdom of the Messiah in Isaiah, Is 9:7; Is 11:1; Dan 2:44; Dan 7:13; Ezek 37:25, were turned into predictions of a strong earthly kingdom.

In such a kingdom, self-loving people found it very pleasant to occupy prominent and profitable places.

The prophecies of Isaiah about the sufferings of the Messiah, Is 53; Ps 22:12-17, or Ps 21:17-19, the teachers of the people either passed over and did not speak of to the people, or explained in their own way.

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They said, "This poor Messiah is the son of Joseph, about whom no one is concerned." With such an upbringing the people did not know the suffering Messiah.

So when the people heard the Savior’s words about ascent to heaven by way of the Cross, they did not know what to think.

Either Jesus is the Messiah, and then He must remain on earth as king forever, or, if He must suffer, who is He? The poor son of Joseph! Poor people!

"Yet a little while the light is with you. Walk while you have the light, that you may become sons of light." In these words love is expressed, grieving over the condition of those to whom He speaks.

This love calls itself light and presents itself as a mother: "Children, make use of the blessed time while I am with you. Without Me it is dark for you.

Learn from the light, Christ. Be toward Him as children are toward a mother. Treasure His instructions. Without them there is misfortune; with them there is blessedness."

There are similar expressions in Lk 16:8 and 1 Thess 5:5. "The true Light enlightens every man coming into the world" (Jn 1:9).

Christ the Light is not now seen by bodily eyes as He was seen when He lived on earth. Nevertheless He shines even now.

"The darkness is passing away, and this true Light already shines" (1 Jn 2:8).

Until what time will the light of grace shine? For me and for you, until the time of our death. For the whole earthly world, until the time of its universal transformation.

Then people will either be transferred into the realm of more abundant illumination, or the light will be hidden from them.

How, then, can one fail to treasure the time while the light is with us? We must believe in the light. We must turn its luminous thoughts and rules into life.

"Behold, now is the acceptable time; behold, now is the day of salvation" (2 Cor 6:2).

"Believe while you have the light." "While" is said. Therefore there is no reason to deceive ourselves with dreams that we can be corrected beyond the grave.

The decree of God is unchangeable. Earthly life is appointed so that we may be formed into sons of light.

If during it we remain sons of darkness, then eternal darkness is our lot beyond the grave.

"When He had said this, Jesus departed and hid Himself from them." Entirely similar notices are read in St Matthew: "And leaving them, He went out of the city to Bethany and spent the night there"; Mt 21:17.

And in St Luke, Lk 21:37: "During the day He taught in the temple, and at night He went out and spent the night on the mount called Olivet."

Therefore it is in vain that some wish to see in John’s words a notice that the Savior’s public instruction of the people had ceased.

This is especially vain, since the other Evangelists present many teachings of the Savior that followed His entrance into Jerusalem.

Wlastow G.K.

19th centuryChurch Father

Concerning the questions of the people, St John Chrysostom remarks that the Jews who raised their voices from the crowd "knew that Christ is an immortal person and has endless life.

Therefore they understood what He was saying. In Scripture, too, in many places the suffering of Christ and the Resurrection are spoken of together.

Thus, for example, Isaiah sets both together when he says, 'As a sheep He was led to the slaughter.'" Chrysostom’s reference to Is 53:7 is incomplete; verse 11 should be added: "My righteous servant shall justify many, and He shall bear their sins."

"And David in the second psalm, as in many others, joins both together. But the Jews say that Christ remains forever because by this they thought to stop His mouth and show that He is not the Christ."

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Here we must pay special attention to the fact that those who raise their voice and argue are plainly people who know the Scriptures.

They clearly know such passages of Scripture as: "I have made a covenant with My chosen one; I have sworn to David My servant: I will establish your seed forever, and build your throne to all generations" (Ps 88:4-5).

Or: "You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek" (Ps 109:4). Or: "A Child is born to us; a Son is given to us. Of the increase of His dominion and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, from now and unto the ages" (Is 9:6-7), and many others.

These men versed in Scripture, as Chrysostom beautifully indicates, do not wish to allow the Lord Jesus to be identified with Christ.

Therefore they object treacherously, keeping silent about those passages of Scripture, such as Isaiah chapters 42 and 53, where the Lord’s sufferings are plainly foretold together with His glory.

"From this one can see," says Chrysostom, "that they understood much, but that they acted maliciously by their own will."

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Passages read together with this verse.

The original text

Greek text, 35 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. Ἀπεκρίθη
    apekrithē
    I answer
    G611 · ἀποκρίνω
  2. οὖν
    oun
    therefore
    G3767 · οὖν
  3. αὐτῷ
    autō
    he
    G846 · αὐτός
  4. ὁ
    ho
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  5. ὄχλος
    ochlos
    a crowd
    G3793 · ὄχλος
  6. Ἡμεῖς
    hēmeis
    I
    G1473 · ἐγώ
  7. ἠκούσαμεν
    ēkousamen
    I hear
    G191 · ἀκούω
  8. ἐκ
    ek
    from out
    G1537 · ἐκ
  9. τοῦ
    tou
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  10. νόμου
    nomou
    a law
    G3551 · νόμος
  11. ὅτι
    hoti
    that
    G3754 · ὅτι
  12. ὁ
    ho
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  13. Χριστὸς
    christos
    anointed
    G5547 · Χριστός
  14. μένει
    menei
    I remain
    G3306 · μένω
  15. εἰς
    eis
    into
    G1519 · εἰς
  16. τὸν
    ton
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  17. αἰῶνα
    aiōna
    an age
    G165 · αἰών
  18. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  19. πῶς
    pōs
    how
    G4459 · πως
  20. λέγεις
    legeis
    I say
    G3004 · λέγω
  21. σὺ
    sy
    you
    G4771 · σύ
  22. ὅτι
    hoti
    that
    G3754 · ὅτι
  23. δεῖ
    dei
    I bind
    G1210 · δέω
  24. ὑψωθῆναι
    hypsōthēnai
    I lift up
    G5312 · ὑψόω
  25. τὸν
    ton
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  26. Υἱὸν
    huion
    a son
    G5207 · υἱός
  27. τοῦ
    tou
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  28. ἀνθρώπου
    anthrōpou
    a man
    G444 · ἄνθρωπος
  29. τίς
    tis
    who
    G5101 · τίς
  30. ἐστιν
    estin
    I am
    G1510 · εἰμί
  31. οὗτος
    houtos
    this
    G3778 · οὗτος
  32. ὁ
    ho
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  33. Υἱὸς
    huios
    a son
    G5207 · υἱός
  34. τοῦ
    tou
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  35. ἀνθρώπου
    anthrōpou
    a man
    G444 · ἄνθρωπος