The Church Fathers on this verse

2 Corinthians 12:19Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

Of old, think you that we excuse ourselves to you? We speak before God in Christ: but all things, my dearly beloved, for your edification.

Douay-Rheims

παλιν δοκειτε οτι υμιν απολογουμεθα κατενωπιον του θεου εν χριστω λαλουμεν τα δε παντα αγαπητοι υπερ της υμων οικοδομης

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The Church Fathers on this verse

8 Church Fathers comment on this verse

John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

“Do you still think that we are only defending ourselves before you? We speak before God, in Christ, and all this, beloved, is for your edification.” “Do you still think that we are only defending ourselves before you?” (v. 19). Do you see with what apostolic prudence he repeats this often? Thus earlier he said: “We do not again commend ourselves to you, but give you occasion to boast on our behalf” (2 Cor 5:12). And at the beginning of the epistle: “Do we need letters of recommendation to you or from you?” (2 Cor 3:1). “And all this, beloved, is for your edification.” Again he calms them.

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Yet even here he does not say plainly: “We did not take from you because of your weakness, but for your edification.” Still, he has expressed more clearly than before what grieved him, though without reproach. He did not say, “because of your weakness,” but, “that you might receive edification.”

Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

“Do you still think that we are only defending ourselves before you? We speak before God, in Christ.” He feared drawing upon himself the charge of currying favor. Therefore he says: We speak this not to gain your goodwill, and not to justify ourselves, but before the face of God, in Christ, that is, for Christ’s sake. Thus we speak what actually happened and what is known to God, not in order to gain your goodwill. He said the same thing at the very beginning. “And all this, beloved, is for your edification.” He did not say: I did all this and did not receive from you because you are weak, for that would have been too harsh. He said, “for your edification,” so that you, he says, would not be scandalized on account of me. For this reason I did not receive, and it was for your benefit.

Ambrosiaster

4th centuryChurch Father

This is what the Apostle says: Do you doubt us, supposing that we deal dishonestly with you? For the Corinthians were being stirred up by the false apostles, who wished to strip them. They claimed that the Apostle was evading, as though he could receive more. “We speak before God, in Christ, and all this, beloved, is for your edification.” The Apostle wants them to understand him correctly and well. Therefore he satisfies them both by reason and by testimony. He strives not for his own advantage, which he could have had for himself, but for their ordering. In this way he seeks to awaken the Corinthians’ love for him, respect for his authority, and turning away from sins, without burdening them with expenses.

Theodoret of Cyrus

5th centuryChurch Father

“Do you again think that we are making an answer to you?” Perhaps, says the Apostle, you will even regard our defense as a sign of baseness. “We speak before God, in Christ.” But we say this with God as witness, enlightened by the commandments of the Master Christ. For “in Christ” means according to the laws of Christ. This is Christ’s law: “If you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar. Go first and be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift” (Mt 5:23-24). And again: “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father who is in heaven.” The Apostle says the same here. “But all things, beloved, are for your edification.” Whether we humble ourselves or speak loftily, whether we accuse or praise, we do everything for your benefit.

Ivanov A.V.

19th centuryChurch Father

“We give an answer to you.” Just as the first Epistle gave the false teachers occasion to accuse the Apostle of excessive severity and to suppose personal weakness in him, so the second Epistle could also seem like a defense against just accusations brought against him by the false teachers.

Forestalling such an opinion, the Apostle says that he is not justifying himself. Rather, he is restoring the true understanding of himself and writing for the edification of the Corinthians.

Michail Cheraskov

19th centuryChurch Father

“Do you still think that we are only defending ourselves before you?” Thus St. Paul the Apostle concludes the defensive part of his epistle. Then, having stated that the chief aim of his words is the correction of the Corinthians, the Apostle fears lest he truly find them such as he does not wish. He also fears that he may have to mourn many who sinned before and did not repent. In this sorrowful case, the Apostle will have to use severity without mercy for this very reason: the Corinthians seek in him tangible proofs of his apostolic authority, and whether Christ speaks in him. “Examine and test yourselves,” the Apostle adds. “But concerning us I hope you will know that we are what we ought to be” (2 Cor 13:6).

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Yet even to these severe words he again adds a benevolent supplement: “We pray for your perfection. For this reason I write these things while absent, that when present I may not use severity according to the authority given me by the Lord for edification and not for destruction” (2 Cor 13:9-10).

Nikanor (Kamenski)

19th centuryChurch Father

From persuasions and arguments, the Apostle passes to a threat that he will subject them to severe punishment when he meets them in person. But first he tries to move them to pity by his readiness to weep over their sins, if they do not repent and amend. In this, one may say, lies the practical conclusion from all that was written earlier. The Apostle expresses it when he says, “all things are for your edification.” “Whether we humble ourselves or speak loftily about ourselves, whether we accuse you or praise you, we do everything for your benefit” (Theodoret). “We said this not to flatter you, nor merely to justify ourselves before you, but as before the face of the all-seeing God. We speak in Christ and through Christ.

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But can one who speaks before the face of God and in Christ speak flatteringly merely to cover himself?” (Oecumenius). “I fear,” he says, “lest when I come, I shall not find you such as I wish.” “He could have said, ‘such as I myself do not wish to be found among you,’ and thereby shown his love. But he does not wish the hearer to grow weak, and besides, his speech would then be sterner. As it is, he made them feel it more strongly and showed himself more gentle.” “For it belongs to prudence to act so that the wound is deeper and the blow lighter” (Chrysostom). “What exactly did the Apostle not wish to find among them?” asks Bishop Theophan, and he answers: “discord and deeds of passion, rivalry, the effort to have one’s own way; envy, distorted competition; wrath, irritation; contentiousness, eagerness for dispute; slander, evil speaking; whispering, timid slander; arrogance, puffing up; disorders, lack of order.” In the first epistle too, the Apostle rebuked rivalry and disorders (1:10, 11). Having learned from Titus that his rebuke had not remained without effect, yet wishing these faults to be completely erased, he again exhorts the Corinthians to live in unanimity. He also exhorts them to purity, which the incestuous man had so sharply violated. “It may be supposed,” says Bishop Theophan, “that the Apostle knew not only that one sinner, but many. In writing a strict sentence against one, he intended to sober the others also. In this he speaks, as it were, thus: what has been sinned, what can be done? It cannot be recalled. But the bitter thing will be if I find those who sinned unrepentant and stubbornly remaining in impenitence. What is to be done with such people? Though it is grievous, they will have to be cut off from the body of the Church. Stubborn sinners cannot be tolerated in the Church. And so I shall weep. By this God will humble me among you.” “Thus consider what the Apostle’s virtue was,” says Chrysostom. “Knowing nothing evil in himself, he weeps over the sins of others and is humbled by the transgressions of others. For this especially is the duty of a teacher: to suffer with the misfortunes of his disciples, and to lament and weep over the wounds of those subject to him.”

Theophan the Recluse

19th centuryChurch Father

“We make an answer,” apologoumetha, that is, we defend and justify ourselves. The Apostle’s thought is what was expressed just before. Do you think that we have only one thing in view, to justify ourselves before you? No, we write all this for your edification. Or the thought may be this. Do you think that, in speaking thus, we merely clear our own person and justify the outward form of our conduct, while something quite different is in our soul? No. We speak before God, in Christ. We speak of ourselves as we are before the all-seeing eye of God. No flattery or craft is hidden in our words. Both thoughts may be joined. One corresponds to the words, “we speak before God in Christ.” The other corresponds to the words, “and all things are for your edification.” St.

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Chrysostom says: “Do you see how everywhere he feared appearing to flatter?” “We say this not to flatter you, nor merely to justify ourselves before you, but as before the face of the all-seeing God. We speak in Christ and through Christ. But is it possible that one who speaks before the face of God and in Christ should speak flatteringly merely to cover himself?” (Oecumenius). “But all things, beloved, are for your edification.” The word “confirmation” is not in the original. Edification is oikodome, a building, arrangement, and ordering. Thus he says: everything with us is directed toward bringing into good order and structure what among you has fallen into disorder and taken a distorted direction. He also adds “beloved” to show that sincere paternal love for them moved them to this. Inspired by it, “whether we humble ourselves or speak loftily about ourselves, whether we accuse you or praise you, we do everything for your benefit” (Theodoret).

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Greek text, 18 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. Πάλαι
    palai
    of old
    G3819 · πάλαι
  2. δοκεῖτε
    dokeite
    I think
    G1380 · δοκέω
  3. ὅτι
    hoti
    that
    G3754 · ὅτι
  4. ὑμῖν
    hymin
    you
    G4771 · σύ
  5. ἀπολογούμεθα
    apologoumetha
    I give a defense
    G626 · ἀπολογέομαι
  6. κατέναντι
    katenanti
    opposite
    G2713 · κατέναντι
  7. Θεοῦ
    theou
    God
    G2316 · θεός
  8. ἐν
    en
    in
    G1722 · ἐν
  9. Χριστῷ
    christō
    anointed
    G5547 · Χριστός
  10. λαλοῦμεν
    laloumen
    I speak
    G2980 · λαλέω
  11. τὰ
    ta
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  12. δὲ
    de
    but
    G1161 · δέ
  13. πάντα
    panta
    all
    G3956 · πᾶς
  14. ἀγαπητοί
    agapētoi
    loved
    G27 · ἀγαπητός
  15. ὑπὲρ
    hyper
    in behalf of
    G5228 · ὑπέρ
  16. τῆς
    tēs
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  17. ὑμῶν
    hymōn
    you
    G4771 · σύ
  18. οἰκοδομῆς
    oikodomēs
    the act of building
    G3619 · οἰκοδομή