The Church Fathers on this verse

2 Corinthians 8:5Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

And not as we hoped: but they gave their own selves, first to the Lord, then to us by the will of God;

Douay-Rheims

και ου καθως ηλπισαμεν αλλ εαυτους εδωκαν πρωτον τω κυριω και ημιν δια θεληματος θεου

Greek (Byzantine text)

The Church Fathers on this verse

7 Church Fathers comment on this verse

John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

He says this both with respect to the quality of the alms and with respect to their afflictions. "We did not expect," he says, "that those in such afflictions and such poverty would persuade us and beg us so much."

In other matters also the Apostle showed their diligence, saying: "But they gave themselves first to the Lord, and then to us by the will of God."

"In everything they were obedient beyond what we expected. While helping the poor, they did not neglect the other virtues, but gave themselves first to the Lord."

What does "they gave themselves to the Lord" mean? They dedicated themselves to Him. They showed themselves proven in faith.

They displayed great courage in trials, good order, meekness, love, readiness, and zeal for every other virtue. What does "and to us" mean?

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"They were obedient to us, loved us, and submitted to us, both by fulfilling the laws of God and by being united with us in love."

See how here also, by the words "they gave themselves to the Lord," he shows their extraordinary zeal for God.

They did not submit partly to God and partly to the world. Rather, they gave everything and their whole selves to God.

While helping the poor, they were not exalted. On the contrary, they gave alms with great humility of mind, great obedience, great reverence, and great love of wisdom.

What does "by the will of God" mean? Since he said, "they gave themselves to us," he indicates that they did this not according to human calculations, but according to the will of God.

Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

"And not only as we had hoped." We did not hope that people in such poverty and such affliction would beg us to receive their service. But they gave themselves first to the Lord, and then to us, by the will of God. Here he bears witness also to their other virtues. They were not exalted because they gave alms, nor did they neglect other virtues. Rather, they wholly gave themselves to the Lord and wholly and undividedly inclined toward every work pleasing to God. They also gave themselves to us, that is, they were obedient in everything. They showed love according to the will of God, that is, as is pleasing to God, not according to human calculation.

Ephraem the Syrian

4th centuryChurch Father

We wished to leave them alone, for their own affliction and the persecution stirred up against us were enough for them. But they were not as we thought concerning them. They gave even their own selves, first to the Lord, and then to us. They gave themselves to the Lord in order to die for His sake. They gave themselves to us because they prepared what we had not asked of them.

Ambrosiaster

4th centuryChurch Father

Paul speaks of what they hoped in connection with the correction owed by them for their former errors, their departure from sins, and the amendment of their ways. Beyond what the brethren hoped, the Macedonians dedicated themselves to God. They give themselves to God when they correct their sins, and then they give themselves to the brethren when they provide support. They must have been greatly darkened when, before entering the labor of correction, they already wished to be perfect. The Apostle sets their example before the Corinthians, so that, moved by such an account, they may deeply receive the experience of the Macedonians in their soul.

Theodoret of Cyrus

5th centuryChurch Father

When the Apostle says, "not as we had hoped," he is speaking not of their will, but of the amount of money. Looking at them, we expected that something small would be collected. But magnanimity overcame poverty. The cause of this was love for God, because they offered themselves as a gift to God, and also to us as His servants. Therefore, seeing such diligence in them, we persuaded Titus to hasten to you and complete the instruction begun earlier. Having thus stirred the Corinthians by praises of the Macedonians, he finally begins his admonition.

Nikanor (Kamenski)

19th centuryChurch Father

After instructing the Corinthians in the doctrine of faith and preparing their hearts to follow the teaching they had received in deed also, the Apostle proposes that they collect alms for the poor Christians living in Jerusalem.

This work was required by the urgent need of some and by the moral progress of the Corinthians themselves. Yet the special occasion for this lesson was given by the example of the Macedonians.

The Apostle praises them for this, so that by it he might stir emulation in the Corinthians.

The Apostle called the work of mercy grace, because to be merciful is a gift of God. "Natural dispositions are only predispositions," says the Right Reverend Theophan.

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Grace, when it comes, sanctifies them and manifests them in their proper power, fullness, and perfection. The Macedonians were marked by broad generosity.

The grace of God sanctified their compassionate and sociable hearts, a Slavic trait. They were extremely poor, yet so virtuous that it would be fitting for the rich to be so generous.

They forgot themselves and cared only for others. Good courage in sorrows did not constrict their hearts. On the contrary, by joy it widened their hearts, opened their meager treasuries, and brought forth rich giving.

This picture must have appeared very stirring for the not-impoverished Corinthians to imitate. By the word "willing," he expresses this: we did not force them to it.

They do all this of themselves, so gladly, by their own good will. It is good when someone does good by direction and persuasion from another.

Yet certainly far better is the one who himself perceives what must be done. In such a person goodness lies in the depth of the heart.

St. John Chrysostom says: "Since the Apostle's chief aim was to bring the Corinthians to give alms from the free disposition of the heart, he dwells especially on this, saying, 'with much entreaty,' and then, 'they besought us.'

That is, we did not ask them, but they asked us. About what? 'That we should receive the grace and fellowship of the ministry to the saints.'"

"By ministry to the saints the Apostle means the commission given him by the holy Apostles in Jerusalem, to collect alms everywhere among the faithful for the poor Church of Jerusalem" (Theophan).

"See," says St. John Chrysostom, "how by the words, 'they gave themselves to the Lord,' the Apostle shows their extraordinary zeal for God.

They did not submit to God in part while serving the world in another part. Rather, they gave everything, and their whole selves, to Him alone, being united also with us in love.

Having given themselves to us, they did not do so according to human calculations, but according to the will of God. Notice the excellence of the Apostle's love.

When they asked and urged us to accept the alms, we, he says, were concerned for you, lest you fall behind them. For this reason we sent Titus, so that, stirred by him, you might emulate the Macedonians."

Titus had already been in Corinth and had begun the collection of alms among them, according to the first epistle.

Now the Apostle sent him so that his very presence would serve as an impulse for the Corinthians to give alms.

When mentioning almsgiving, the Apostle always calls it grace. Indeed, almsgiving is a great good and a gift of God.

The giving of alms likens us, as far as possible, to God Himself. This, above all, makes a human being truly human.

Therefore someone, presenting the image of a human being, said among other things: a great thing is man, and precious is the merciful man (Prov 20:6).

Theophan the Recluse

19th centuryChurch Father

“And not as we had hoped.” Here is another degree in the exaltation of their virtue. He says that they exceeded our expectations.

“He says this not of their intention, but of the amount of the gift. Looking at them, we expected that something small would be collected. But their magnanimity overcame their poverty” (Theodoret).

This observation is important because, where grace acts without meeting obstacles from selfish restrictions of the will, deeds always pass beyond the common order of human affairs.

“But first they gave themselves to the Lord.” This suggests that they gave more to those people than they kept for themselves. Hence the question arises: What about themselves? As the Lord wills, they say. We entrust ourselves to Him.

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This is yet another degree of praise, and the highest one. Surrendering oneself to the Lord is the summit of Christian spiritual perfection. It arises after the cutting off of all earthly and merely human feelings and dispositions.

“See,” says Chrysostom, “how by the words ‘they gave themselves to the Lord’ the Apostle shows their extraordinary zeal for God. They did not submit to God in part, while serving the world with another part.

“Rather, they wholly gave themselves, their entire selves, to Him alone. They dedicated themselves to Him, showing themselves tested in faith. In misfortunes they manifested great courage, good order, meekness, love, readiness, and zeal for every other virtue.

“For while helping the poor, they were not puffed up. On the contrary, with great humility, obedience, reverence, and love of wisdom, they practiced almsgiving.”

“They gave themselves to the Lord, and to us.” First to the Lord, and for the Lord’s sake to us also, “as His servants” (Theodoret). They did not separate our concerns from their own, and they considered the labor laid upon us to be their own.

“They were obedient to us, loved us, and submitted to us, both by fulfilling the laws of God and by being united to us in love” (Chrysostom).

“What does ‘by the will of God’ mean? It means that, in giving themselves to us, they did so not according to human calculations. They did even this by the will of God” (Chrysostom).

“By the will of God” means through the will of God, by the power of the will of God. The will of God was the governing principle. They acted according to their awareness of it.

This is the distinctive mark of truly Christian activity: to take no step except after being assured that the will of God is for it.

Reviewing all that the Apostle said about the Macedonians’ almsgiving, blessed Photius says in Oecumenius: “In this little section the Apostle pointed out six good traits in the Macedonians.

“First, they were willing according to their ability. For it is already great when someone gives alms as much as he can. But he says something greater about them: they were willing even beyond their ability.

“This means that they even deprived themselves of what was necessary. Third, they were willingly eager. That is, they had no need of persuasion from elsewhere, but of themselves became zealous for this good work.

“Fourth, with much entreaty they begged that the gift be accepted. This proves a warm and overflowing disposition toward almsgiving, gushing like a spring of water.

“For they did not beg as though bestowing grace on others. Rather, as though acquiring something great for themselves, they begged, implored, and did not cease entreating until they obtained what they asked, namely, that their gift be accepted.

“Fifth, in their gift they exceeded Saint Paul’s expectations. See to what height he raised their virtue. He says that they proved more magnanimous than I myself.

“For if he did not expect it, he seems to imply that he himself, in similar circumstances, would have proved less generous. But he is not content with these indications alone.

“He increases his praise by something incomparably higher than all that has been said. He says, it is not yet so great that they gave according to their ability, beyond their ability, willingly, with much entreaty, begging, and not as we had hoped.

“What then is this special thing they did? ‘They gave themselves,’ he says, ‘first to the Lord, and to us by the will of God.’ They did not give one part away and keep another part for themselves.

“Rather, they surrendered their whole selves to the Lord. He speaks as if to say: they did not even leave themselves the means of life. Having given everything, they placed every care and provision for themselves upon the Lord.

“Therefore Saint Paul, presenting the height of such a disposition, finally added, ‘by the will of God.’ By this he said, as it were: Do not wonder at this, O man. They had God as their fellow worker, having drawn Him by their good disposition.

“Where God works together, nothing is impossible.”

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Passages read together with this verse.

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Greek text, 15 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  2. οὐ
    ou
    no
    G3756 · οὐ
  3. καθὼς
    kathōs
    just as
    G2531 · καθώς
  4. ἠλπίσαμεν
    ēlpisamen
    I hope
    G1679 · ἐλπίζω
  5. ἀλλ᾽
    all
    but
    G235 · ἀλλά
  6. ἑαυτοὺς
    heautous
    himself
    G1438 · ἑαυτοῦ
  7. ἔδωκαν
    edōkan
    I offer
    G1325 · δίδωμι
  8. πρῶτον
    prōton
    first
    G4413 · πρῶτος
  9. τῷ
    tō
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  10. Κυρίῳ
    kyriō
    lord
    G2962 · κύριος
  11. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  12. ἡμῖν
    hēmin
    I
    G1473 · ἐγώ
  13. διὰ
    dia
    through
    G1223 · διά
  14. θελήματος
    thelēmatos
    will
    G2307 · θέλημα
  15. Θεοῦ
    theou
    God
    G2316 · θεός