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2 Thessalonians 1:8Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

In a flame of fire, giving vengeance to them who know not God and who obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Douay-Rheims

εν πυρι φλογος διδοντος εκδικησιν τοις μη ειδοσιν θεον και τοις μη υπακουουσιν τω ευαγγελιω του κυριου ημων ιησου ιησου χριστου

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John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

If those who do not obey the Gospel will be subjected to punishment, what will those not suffer who, in addition to this disobedience, also insult you? But note, I ask you, the Apostle's wisdom. He did not say here, those who insult you, but those who do not obey. Therefore, he says, if not in vengeance for you, then in vengeance for Himself the Lord must necessarily subject them to punishment. Thus this was said to give greater assurance that, in every case, the persecutors must be punished. The preceding words were said to assure them that the persecuted will be deemed worthy of honor. The assurance that punishment is inevitable leads them to faith. The consolation lies in this: the persecutors will undergo this suffering in vengeance for the wrongs inflicted upon believers. Although this was said to them, the Thessalonians, it can also apply to us. Therefore, when we are in misfortune, let us reflect on this. Let us not rejoice at the punishment of others because we are avenged. Let us rejoice that we ourselves have escaped such punishment and inquiry. Indeed, what profit is there for us if others are subjected to punishment? Therefore, I beseech you, let us not nourish such a disposition of soul within ourselves. Let the thought of the kingdom move us to lead a virtuous life. It is true that one who is perfectly virtuous is guided neither by fear nor by the desire to acquire the kingdom, but by Christ Himself, as Paul was. But let us think on the blessings in the kingdom and on the torments in Gehenna. At least in this way let us rightly form and educate ourselves. In this way let us move ourselves to fulfill what we must fulfill. When in the present life you see something good and great, then think of the heavenly kingdom, and you will be convinced that what you have seen is insignificant. When you see something fearful, think of Gehenna, and you will laugh at it. When fleshly desire takes possession of you, think of the fire. Consider the pleasure itself from this sin, that it is insignificant and does not even bring pleasure. If fear of transgressing the laws enacted here has such power that it restrains us from evil deeds, much more will remembrance of the future, of unceasing torment and eternal punishment. If fear before an earthly king restrains us from so many crimes, much more will fear before the eternal King. How then can we continually awaken this fear in ourselves? We can do so if we are always attentive to the words of Scripture. Indeed, if the mere sight of a dead man so humbles our mind, how much more Gehenna and the unquenchable fire, and how much more the undying worm? If we constantly thought about Gehenna, we would not quickly be cast down into it. This is why God threatens punishment. If meditation on Gehenna did not bring us great benefit, God would not have threatened us with it. But since remembrance of it can help us properly accomplish great deeds, He has sown in our souls the fearful thought of it as a saving medicine. Therefore let us not neglect the great benefit born from this. Let us make it the constant subject of conversation at our morning and evening table. Conversation about pleasant subjects brings not the least profit to our soul. On the contrary, it makes it weaker. But conversation about mournful and sorrowful subjects cuts off every distraction and softness from it. It turns it to the true path and restrains it even when it has submitted to weakness. He who talks about theaters and actors brings not the least profit to our soul by this. On the contrary, he inflames it still more and makes it more frivolous. He who occupies himself with others' affairs and is curious to learn about them often exposes the soul to danger through such curiosity. But he who speaks about Gehenna exposes himself to no danger, and at the same time makes his soul more chaste. Perhaps you fear such terrible words. Do you think you will extinguish Gehenna if you do not speak about it? Or do you think you will kindle it if you speak about it? Whether you speak or not, the fire of Gehenna will still burn. Speak of it constantly, so that you may never fall into it. It is impossible for a soul constantly occupied with the thought of Gehenna to sin quickly. Therefore hear the excellent instruction: In all thy works remember thy end, and thou shalt never sin (Sir 7:39). It cannot be that a soul which fears being called to account for its deeds is not slow to transgress. Fear, once established in our mind, leaves no room in it for anything worldly. If discourse on Gehenna, occupying us only from time to time, so humbles and subdues us, will not the thought of it, constantly abiding in our souls, cleanse the soul better than any fire? Let us remember not so much the kingdom as Gehenna, because fear has more power over us than promises. I know that many would disregard a thousand blessings, if only they could remain free from punishments. For me also, at present, it is enough only that I not be subjected to inquiry and not be punished. He who always has Gehenna before his eyes will never fall into Gehenna. He who despises Gehenna will never escape Gehenna. Just as among us those who fear the tribunal are not dragged to tribunals, while those who despise them most often fall under them, so also there. If the Ninevites had not feared destruction, they would have perished. But because they feared, they did not perish. If those who lived in Noah's time had feared the flood, they would not have perished in the flood. And if the Sodomites had feared, they would not have been consumed by fire. It is a great evil to despise threats. He who despises threats will soon learn their consequences by experience. Nothing can be more useful than conversation about Gehenna. It makes our souls purer than any silver. Hear what the Prophet says: For all His judgments were before me, and I did not depart from His statutes (Ps 17:23). Christ also constantly spoke about Gehenna, because although this saddens the hearer, it brings him the greatest benefit. Everything useful has such qualities, and do not be surprised at this. Medicines and foods also are unpleasant at first for the sick man, but afterward they bring him benefit. If we cannot endure words unpleasant to us, it is clear that we will be unable to endure heavy trials in deed. If none of us can endure a word about Gehenna, then it is clear that if persecution overtook us, none of us would be able to stand against fire or sword. Let us train our hearing, lest we become soft. From words we can pass also to deeds. If we become accustomed to hearing fearful things, we will also become accustomed to enduring fearful things. But if we are so soft that we cannot endure even words, how shall we stand against events? Do you see how blessed Paul despised everything that happens in this world, even dangers? Why was this? Because he had learned to despise even Gehenna for the sake of those whom God loved. Out of love for Christ he counted endurance of torments in Gehenna as nothing. But for our own benefit, we cannot endure even speech about it. Now, after listening for a little while, you will depart from here. But I beseech you, if there is any love in you, constantly occupy yourselves with conversations about such things. At the very least, this will not harm you, if it does not bring benefit. But without doubt it will also bring benefit. According to what our conversation is, so the soul becomes. It is said: Evil company corrupts good morals (1 Cor 15:33). Therefore good conversations bring benefit. Therefore conversations that inspire fear make one chaste. Our soul is like wax. If you speak cold words, you will make it hard and harsh. If you speak fiery words, you will soften it. And once you soften it, you can give it whatever form you wish and inscribe the royal image upon it. Therefore let us close our hearing to idle conversations. They are no small evil. From them every evil proceeds. If our mind had learned to attend to divine words, it would pay attention to nothing else. And if it paid attention to nothing else, it would never dare evil deeds. Speech is the path to deeds. First we think, then we speak, then we act. Many people, even chaste people, have often passed from shameful words to shameful deeds. Our soul by nature is neither good nor evil. Both in it depend on free will. As a sail moves the ship wherever the wind blows, or better, as the rudder directs the ship if a favorable wind is blowing, so also our mind sails safely if a favorable wind carries good words to it. But if contrary winds blow, it is often drowned. What winds are for ships, words are for the soul. You can move and direct it wherever you wish. Therefore someone, instructing us, said: And let all thy discourse be in the law of the Most High (Sir 9:20). Therefore, I beseech you, when we take children from their mothers' breast, let us not teach them old women's tales. Rather, let the child learn from infancy that there is a judgment. Let the thought that there is punishment take root in his mind. When this fear takes root in him, it will bring great benefit. Indeed, a soul accustomed from early age to tremble at the expectation of such a lot cannot easily be freed from this fear. Like an easily guided horse, having the thought of Gehenna as its guide, it will walk rightly. It will speak and take part in conversation only about useful subjects. Neither youth, nor wealth, nor orphanhood, nor anything else will be able to harm it. So firm will its mind be, and so able to withstand everything. With such words let us edify ourselves, our wives, our servants, our children, our friends, and even our enemies, if possible. With the help of such words we will be able to cut off a multitude of sins. We will prefer to live in sorrowful circumstances rather than favorable ones. This can be seen from the following. Tell me: if you entered a house where a wedding feast was being celebrated, for one hour you would feel pleasure from the sight. But afterward, when you left, would you not be crushed with sorrow because you do not have the same? But if you entered the house of people who were weeping, even if they were very rich, then on leaving you would more readily feel calm. From there you would carry away not envy, but consolation and encouragement for your poverty. You see by experience that wealth is not a good, and poverty is not an evil. Both in themselves are indifferent. So it is in the present case. If you occupy yourself with conversation about pleasures, you will grieve your soul still more, since it does not enjoy these pleasures. But if amid pleasures you begin to speak about Gehenna, this will become for you a source of joy and great consolation. Indeed, when you consider that these pleasures cannot help us at all against that fire, you will not seek them. And when you think that they usually inflame that fire still more, you will not only cease seeking them, but you will feel aversion toward them and reject them. Therefore let us not avoid words about Gehenna, so that we may avoid Gehenna. Let us not avoid reminders of punishment, so that we may not be subjected to that punishment. If that rich man had thought about that fire, he would not have sinned. But since he never brought it to mind, he fell into it. Tell me, man: when the time comes for you to appear before the judgment seat of Christ, will you then speak about everything except this, except Gehenna? When you have a case in court, often one not even worth speaking of, you speak of nothing else night and day, at every time and always, except that case. Yet when you must give an account before God for your whole life and be held responsible, you cannot endure even others reminding you of judgment. This is why everything tends toward ruin and corruption. When we prepare to stand before a human tribunal concerning worldly matters, we set everything in motion. We appeal to everyone with requests, constantly trouble ourselves about it, and do everything needed for it. Yet when we must soon stand before the judgment of Christ, we do nothing, neither personally nor through others.

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Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

Those whom he earlier called their afflicters he now calls those who have not known God. By this he very wisely teaches that vengeance will come in any case. For if not for your sake, then for His own sake He will surely take vengeance on His enemies. Thus this is said so that the Thessalonians may be fully assured that the persecutors will in any case be punished. What preceded was said so that they might be consoled, knowing that for their honor God will punish their persecutors. He punishes those who hinder others from listening to Him, as your persecutors now do.

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The expression "in flaming fire" may be referred either to the words "taking vengeance," as if he said, "punishing the unbelieving by Gehenna." Or it may be taken thus: at the revelation of Christ, which will be in flaming fire. As David says: "Fire goes before Him and burns up His enemies round about" (Ps 96:3). And Daniel says: "A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him" (Dan 7:10). Note that "in flaming fire" is said instead of "in burning fire," but not "illuminating fire." For sinners the fire will only burn and not illumine. For the righteous it will illumine and not burn.

Ephraem the Syrian

4th centuryChurch Father

Moreover, He will come not to be judged, but "in a flame of fire," to appoint at the Judgment vengeance on those who do not know God. These are the Gentiles, who until now have been unwilling to know God, and the Jews, who do not obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Theodoret of Cyrus

5th centuryChurch Father

The Apostle said "if," not to express doubt, but to confirm his speech. So we too, when intensifying speech, customarily say, "if this is true," as indeed it is true. Therefore he says that it is just and fitting for the Lawgiver both to reward us for our sufferings for the faith and to punish our opponents for impiety. This will happen at the consummation. Then the Lord will come from heaven, the ranks of angels will accompany Him, and those enveloped in the darkness of unbelief will be delivered to the inextinguishable flame. The divine Apostle wrote this to console, by hope in the future, those enduring terrible and grievous calamities. Therefore he also pointed to this tribunal full of fear. First he presented the Judge coming from heaven.

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Then he presented the power of those who minister, namely the angels. After this he presented the very kind of punishment: the condemned are delivered to the fiery flame. If those who do not obey the Gospel will suffer this, then it is clear that those who attack believers with hostility will undergo still heavier torments.

Macarius the Egyptian

4th centuryChurch Father

This fire acted in the Apostles when they spoke with tongues of fire. This fire shone around Paul with a voice, enlightened his mind, and darkened his bodily sight (see Acts 9:3). For he did not see the power of this light apart from the flesh. Moses saw this fire in the bush (see Ex 3:3). This fire, in the form of a chariot, caught Elijah up from the earth (see 4 Kgs 2:11). Seeking the activity of this fire, blessed David said, "Prove me, O Lord, and try me; refine my inward parts and my heart" (Ps 25:2).

Ivanov A.V.

19th centuryChurch Father

"In flaming fire." In Holy Scripture, wherever the future judgment is spoken of, fire appears as the action that precedes or accompanies it. Fire will burn up the earth and the works that are on it (2 Pet 3:10). Fire will be the punishment of sinners (Mt 25:41). Fire will also accompany the Savior's appearance at the judgment. Here fire is the image of God's wrath and almighty power, which penetrates all things and purifies every impurity. "Those who do not know God and those who do not obey the Gospel." Among the persons who will be subjected to God's judgment, the Apostle distinguishes two classes. Those who do not know God are the pagans (Rom 1:21). Those disobedient to the Gospel are the Jews (Rom 10:3). Of course, this division cannot be applied to the indicated peoples with complete strictness and precision.

Michail Cheraskov

19th centuryChurch Father

All three chapters of the Epistle are bound together by one common thought that pervades them. It concerns the second coming of Christ the Savior to earth and His dread judgment upon the human race. The first chapter may be called introductory. In it the Apostle first unfolds the good side of the fact that the minds of the Thessalonians are so firmly occupied with the question of the Lord Jesus Christ's coming to earth. He does not complain of the Thessalonians for this. On the contrary, he gives thanks to God for them. Strengthened by the thought of the coming righteous judgment of God, they endure all persecutions and afflictions with heroic patience and faith. Thus he even boasts of them in the churches of God.

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In this very patience of theirs there is visible proof that the righteous judgment of God will surely come. The Lord Jesus, appearing from heaven with the angels of His power, in flaming fire will take vengeance on the Thessalonians' persecutors, and in general on all who have not known God and do not obey the Gospel of the Lord.

Nikanor (Kamenski)

19th centuryChurch Father

Defining the recompense for sinners, the Apostle says that it will consist in flaming fire. It will concern first those who have not known God, and also those who do not obey the Gospel preaching. All these will be removed from the face of God and from His glory. In addition, each will be subjected to a particular punishment and to eternal destruction. "Note the Apostle's wisdom," says St. John Chrysostom. "He did not say here, 'those who afflict us,' but, 'those who do not obey the Gospel.' That is, he says that if not in vengeance for you, then in vengeance for Himself the Lord must necessarily subject them to punishment. Thus all this is said to give greater certainty that the persecutors must in any case be punished.

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There are many people who suppose that Gehenna is not so fearful, and moreover that it is temporary. Meanwhile I can present proofs from every side that it is not only no weaker than it is represented in the threats, but even more terrible. To be assured that it is not temporary, let us hear what the holy Apostle Paul says here about people who do not know God and do not believe the Gospel. He says that they will receive eternal destruction." To this His Grace Theophan adds: "In the times of the Apostles, those who did not believe in God were the pagans, while those who did not obey the Gospel were chiefly the Jews (Rom 10:3, 16, 21; 1 Thess 2:15-16). Perhaps St. Paul also understood it this way. But if we look at our own time through the Apostle's word, we will have to acknowledge that here the Apostle did not designate particular peoples. Rather, he designated moral and religious qualities and states by which those who destroy themselves can exist among all peoples."

Rosanow N.P.

19th centuryChurch Father

To strengthen the Thessalonians still more in patience, the Apostle says that believers' patient endurance of sufferings serves as a sign (ενδό'/μα) of the righteous judgment of God, already begun now. That is, God rewards the Thessalonians for their faith and love with the gift of patience, with the power to endure sufferings. If He begins His judgment with believers, He does so not to destroy them, but to show them worthy of the Kingdom of God. He gives them occasion to show their love for God (cf. 1 Pet 4:17-18). The Thessalonians can easily be convinced of this if only they recognize divine justice in general. By its power, those who suffer must receive rest, and oppressors punishment. To show the full certainty of this last judgment, the Apostle even depicts its whole setting.

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This judgment will take place when the Lord Jesus Christ appears in all His glory. Like God on Sinai and in the bush, He will appear in the brightness of fire. He will punish those who have not known God, because they did not wish to know Him, and those who did not receive the Gospel. He will punish them with eternal destruction. And this will be when, the Apostle again adds for the consolation of the Thessalonians, Christ is glorified in His saints. That is, He will show His majesty in their glorification and communicate His glory to them. He will appear wondrous and will awaken wonder toward Himself in all creation by what He accomplishes in all believers. Therefore He will do this also in the Thessalonians, in whom the Apostle's testimony concerning Christ met with full faith.

Theophan the Recluse

19th centuryChurch Father

“In flaming fire” is either a feature of the Lord’s manifestation, if these words are joined with the preceding words, “at the revelation of the Lord from heaven.”

Or it is the instrument of punishment for sinners, if they are joined with the following words, “inflicting vengeance.” In other passages of Scripture, the Lord’s manifestation is accompanied by fire.

The torments of sinners are also placed in the fiery Gehenna. In this passage the flow of speech permits these words to be joined both with what precedes and with what follows.

The ancient interpreters likewise accept one understanding, or the other, or both together. Blessed Theodoret writes: “He first presented the coming Judge, then the power of the angels serving Him, and after this the very kind of punishment.

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Those condemned are handed over to the fiery flame.” “Fire will be the instrument of recompense” (Ambrosiaster). Oecumenius holds another opinion: “At the revelation, he says, of Christ, which will be in flaming fire.

David also speaks of this: ‘Fire goes before Him and burns up His enemies round about’” (Ps 97:3). Photius in Oecumenius, and Theophylact, retain both understandings.

Photius says: “‘In flaming fire’ either indicates the form of punishment that those who do not know God and do not receive the Gospel will undergo, or points to the very coming of the Master, which will be in flaming fire.

So interpreted those who were before us.” Theophylact says: “‘In flaming fire’ must be referred either to ‘inflicting vengeance,’ as if he had said, ‘punishing the unbelievers with Gehenna.’

Or it may be taken thus: ‘at the revelation of the Lord from heaven,’ which will be in flaming fire, as David says (Ps 97:3), and Daniel says, ‘A stream of fire flowed before Him’” (Dan 7:10).

Theophylact adds below: “Notice that he says ‘in flaming fire’ instead of ‘in fire that burns but does not illumine.’ For sinners the fire will only burn and not illumine.

For the righteous it will illumine and not burn.” “Inflicting” uses the present instead of the future. It signifies an unchangeable determination that something will be so and not otherwise, or else means “in order to inflict vengeance.”

Vengeance is not revenge, but righteous and deserved punishment. It does not satisfy a feeling in the Judge, but the demand of justice, which renders according to merit.

The manifestation of the Lord is depicted as the manifestation of a Judge punishing the ill-wishers of Christians and of Christianity. This is not only to comfort those who suffer.

Nor is it only to calm their troubled feeling, “Why do we suffer while they prosper?” It is also to warn them not to fall away from faith and not to collapse, because judgment will be without any partiality.

“Upon those who do not know God and do not obey the Gospel.” The Apostle said above that those who afflict the believing Thessalonians will be repaid with affliction.

Then he added that this will happen when the Lord appears to inflict vengeance on those who do not know God and do not obey the Gospel.

According to the flow of speech, it follows that those afflicters are either the same as these ignorant and disobedient ones, or they form the part of them more worthy of punishment.

Theophylact writes: “Those whom he earlier called afflicters, he now calls those who do not know God.” St. Chrysostom intensifies this: “If those who do not obey the Gospel will be punished, what will those suffer who, besides this disobedience, also afflict you?”

The same is found in Theodoret and Oecumenius. For the consolation of the persecuted, assurance was needed that the unbelievers oppressing the faithful would not always triumph.

This turn of speech fully attained that aim. “Notice, I beg you, the wisdom of the Apostle,” says Chrysostom. “He did not say here, ‘those who afflict you,’ but ‘those who do not obey the Gospel.’

That is, he says: if not in vengeance for you, then in vengeance for Himself, the Lord must necessarily subject them to punishment.

Thus this is said to give greater assurance that in every case the persecutors must be punished.” Those who do not know God and do not obey the Gospel embrace the whole circle of persons who will undergo God’s wrath and punishment.

Not only those who do not know God will be condemned to eternal torments, for even such are without excuse (Rom 1:20). Those who do not submit to the Gospel will also be condemned.

At the judgment such speech will not be accepted as justification: “I knew God, believed in His creation and providence, acknowledged the obligation to obey conscience, and expected the future life.”

Even such a person will be found guilty if he did not believe in the Gospel. By this word the Apostle condemns not only atheists, materialists, and pantheists, but even the most reasonable deists.

Eternal salvation will be the portion only of those who believed in the Gospel and were transformed by divine grace.

It is also clear that by those who do not obey the Gospel, the Apostle means not only those who do not receive the Gospel and do not subject their reason to the yoke of faith.

He also means those who accept the Gospel, yet do not live according to its demand. They do not subject their will and feelings to the prescriptions of the Gospel.

The verb “do not obey” leads to this latter thought, for it includes both sides of obedience. In the times of the Apostles, the Gentiles chiefly revealed themselves as not knowing God (1 Thess 4:5; Gal 4:8; Rom 1:28; Eph 2:12).

The Jews chiefly revealed themselves as disobedient to the Gospel (Rom 10:3; Rom 16:21; 1 Thess 2:15-16). Perhaps St. Paul understood it in this way.

But if, with the Apostle’s word, we look at our own time, and still more at the time of judgment, we shall be compelled to acknowledge something else.

Here the Apostle designated not particular nations, but rather moral and religious qualities and states that deserve God’s vengeance. Those who destroy themselves by these states may exist among all peoples.

This is all the more permissible because the Gentiles also did not obey the Gospel. The Jews also proved not to know God, since they did not recognize the work of God in Christ Jesus (Jn 8:54-55; Jn 15:21).

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Passages read together with this verse.

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Greek text, 19 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. ἐν
    en
    in
    G1722 · ἐν
  2. πυρὶ
    pyri
    fire
    G4442 · πῦρ
  3. φλογός
    phlogos
    a flame
    G5395 · φλόξ
  4. διδόντος
    didontos
    I offer
    G1325 · δίδωμι
  5. ἐκδίκησιν
    ekdikēsin
    a defense
    G1557 · ἐκδίκησις
  6. τοῖς
    tois
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  7. μὴ
    mē
    not
    G3361 · μή
  8. εἰδόσιν
    eidosin
    I know
    G1492 · εἴδω
  9. Θεὸν
    theon
    God
    G2316 · θεός
  10. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  11. τοῖς
    tois
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  12. μὴ
    mē
    not
    G3361 · μή
  13. ὑπακούουσιν
    hypakouousin
    I listen
    G5219 · ὑπακούω
  14. τῷ
    tō
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  15. εὐαγγελίῳ
    euangeliō
    the good news
    G2098 · εὐαγγέλιον
  16. τοῦ
    tou
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  17. Κυρίου
    kyriou
    lord
    G2962 · κύριος
  18. ἡμῶν
    hēmōn
    I
    G1473 · ἐγώ
  19. Ἰησοῦ
    iēsou
    Jesus
    G2424 · Ἰησοῦς