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Ecclesiastes 2:16Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

For there shall be no remembrance of the wise no more than of the fool forever, and the times to come shall cover all things together with oblivion: the learned dieth in like manner as the unlearned.

Douay-Rheims

כִּי֩ אֵ֨ין זִכְר֧וֹן לֶחָכָ֛ם עִֽם־הַכְּסִ֖יל לְעוֹלָ֑ם בְּשֶׁכְּבָ֞ר הַיָּמִ֤ים הַבָּאִים֙ הַכֹּ֣ל נִשְׁכָּ֔ח וְאֵ֛יךְ יָמ֥וּת הֶחָכָ֖ם עִֽם־הַכְּסִֽיל׃

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3 Church Fathers comment on this verse

Gregory of Nyssa

4th centuryChurch Father

What follows addresses those who cling to earthly existence, viewing death as a daunting prospect. They believe that for those who pursue a higher calling, living virtuously offers no advantage, as ultimately, all life culminates at the same endpoint. Consequently, even if one achieves a more righteous life, death remains inevitable. Ecclesiastes, speaking for himself, presents objections against such thinking, reproaching those who disregard the essence of reality. He delineates the distinction between righteousness and wrongdoing, illustrating that no equal esteem can be derived from either, for it is the outcomes of our actions—benefits or consequences—that reveal this disparity.

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This argument is succinctly expressed: I have declared that a single fate awaits everyone. I pondered, "Just as the fate of the fool, so will mine be; why should I strive for more?" I considered that the fool's excessive speech is mere vanity. Indeed, the memory of the wise does not endure alongside that of the fool eternally, as all will be forgotten in time. How, then, can the wise perish alongside the foolish? Ecclesiastes grapples with this issue, asserting that if death is the same for both the wise and the foolish, and wisdom does not preserve one from death, then the pursuit of wisdom brings vanity upon me.

What is the counter to this notion? "I have spoken excessively," he says in his heart, "for the fool's words overflow with vanity." Thus, Ecclesiastes denounces this argument as unnecessary and irrational, labeling such musings as folly—unworthy of being cherished and not hailing from true wisdom, merely spewed forth without substance. In this manner, such discourse is futile, as it seeks to dismiss the tangible realities of life. Yet the critic engages only with the visible, acknowledging that death is an observable reality.

So what does he assert? In this life, there is no assessment of virtue and vice; the wicked ought to perish in body, while the virtuous would escape death. He states this, unaware of the eternal nature of virtue and the fate of the wicked. Ecclesiastes asserts that the legacy of the wise endures, lasting through the ages, while the memory of the foolish fades. The Prophet echoes this notion: "Their memory perishes" (Psalm 9:7). This is further illustrated with the term "with noise," highlighting the contrast. Ecclesiastes declares, "There is no remembrance of the wise with the foolish forever"; rather, the wise live on in remembrance, while the foolish are shrouded in forgetfulness. "In the days to come," all associated with the foolish will be forgotten, expressed as if the future has already arrived, "and all things were forgotten."

If the wise pursue wisdom while the foolish are doomed to oblivion, Ecclesiastes questions, "How can you claim that the wise shall perish with the foolish?" He laments and feels shame over his past desires, voicing hatred for all he once sought in this earthly life. It is akin to someone who, having indulged in honey mixed with something distasteful, eventually regretfully expels it, remembering the unpleasantness along with the sweetness and thus growing to despise honey for the disorder caused by excess. Therefore, having indulged in life’s fleeting pleasures, and through the process of reflection and confession, Ecclesiastes expresses his disdain, declaring: "I have hated life, for the creation that occurs under the sun is grievous to me."

Gregory the Wonderworker

3rd centuryChurch Father

The prudent and the unwise share no similarities, whether in the memory of humanity or in the reward from the Almighty. The endeavors of individuals, even when they might appear to just be commencing, have in reality already concluded. Yet, the outcomes of the wise are never aligned with those of the foolish.

Ireneus (Orda)

19th centuryCommentator

The preacher reflects on whether the pleasures of life can truly offer peace and fulfill human aspirations. Solomon crafted for himself a paradise on earth—a realm of enjoyment and delight—but even amidst this, he found no inner tranquility. After witnessing the futility of a materialistic existence, he devoted himself to the quest for wisdom. In this journey, while he discovered that knowledge is beneficial as it grants insight into one's actions, he soon realized the futility of such an endeavor. Both the wise and the foolish meet the same end—death, obscurity, and the transfer of what one has gained to an heir who may not be wise. This pursuit is often fraught with constant anxiety and distress.

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Though there is vanity in both sensual and material life, as well as in intellectual pursuits, this does not imply that human life should devolve into complete chaos and immorality. Rather, it suggests a divine principle: to harmonize knowledge with enjoyment and to recognize that these gifts come solely from God and are granted to the righteous. The ability to savor life is contingent not upon human efforts but on God's grace. Since God differentiates between good and evil based on the moral integrity of individuals, the fundamental rule for living is to pursue virtue and find joy by merging knowledge with pleasures. This principle is validated by the understanding that all things possess only relative significance; nothing is inherently good or bad, pleasant or unpleasant, but rather varies with the context and circumstances of time.

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