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Ecclesiastes 1:9Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

What is it that hath been? the same thing that shall be. What is it that hath been done? the same that shall be done.

Douay-Rheims

מַה־שֶּֽׁהָיָה֙ ה֣וּא שֶׁיִּהְיֶ֔ה וּמַה־שֶׁנַּֽעֲשָׂ֔ה ה֖וּא שֶׁיֵּעָשֶׂ֑ה וְאֵ֥ין כָּל־חָדָ֖שׁ תַּ֥חַת הַשָּֽׁמֶשׁ׃

Hebrew (Masoretic text)

The Church Fathers on this verse

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Augustine of Hippo

5th centuryChurch Father

Some hold the view that the opening chapter of Ecclesiastes highlights a continuous cycle of existence, stating, "What has been, and what will be; and what has been done, will be done; and there is nothing new under the sun." It is indicated that although one might claim, “Look, behold, this is new,” it has already existed in ages past (Ecclesiastes 1:9-10). This reflects the notion of patterns returning and restoring everything to a similar state. The author might be referring to the cycles of generations—where some pass away and others emerge—along with the repetitive motions of the sun, the flow of rivers, or the categories of all living beings that rise and fall.

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There have been individuals before us, they dwell with us now, and they shall continue to exist after us, just as certain animals and trees do. Remarkable occurrences, though unique and differing in nature, may be recorded as having transpired only once; however, in essence, they have indeed occurred before and will arise again. Special occurrences under the sun are not new or unprecedented.

Some interpretations suggest that these remarks signify that all things exist by divine predestination, implying that nothing is truly new under the sun. Nevertheless, it is inconsistent with genuine faith to interpret Solomon’s words as indicative of a repetitive cycle where historical events occur in the same manner throughout the ages. For instance, one might imagine that in a distant era, the philosopher Plato taught his students in Athens at a place called the Academy, and this scenario would repeat endlessly through the centuries. Such a notion is alien to our faith. For Christ died once for our transgressions; upon His resurrection, He does not die again: death no longer has dominion over Him (Rom. 6:9). After our resurrection, we shall dwell forever with the Lord (1 Thess. 4:17), whom we confidently affirm in the sacred psalm: "Thou, O Lord, wilt preserve them; keep them from this generation forever" (Psalm 11:8), not because their lives will traverse the imagined cycles, but due to the fallacy of such a belief, which stems from erroneous doctrine.

The thinkers of this age believed that the matters at hand could only be addressed through the notion of eternal recurrence, where events are perpetually renewed and repeated within the fabric of reality. They contended that ages would continue to cycle, either within a steadfast world or one that cyclically unfolds and passes away, always reappearing in a new form that echoes the past and anticipates the future. This perspective devalues the immortal spirit and, even when wisdom is attained, offers no resolution to its lowly state. The spirit continually seeks illusory happiness, yet continually finds itself in genuine despair. How can such fleeting happiness be deemed real, particularly when its permanence is unattainable?

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The soul, in its ignorance, often fails to perceive the dangers threatening its welfare, or it may experience dread even while possessing joy. If one were to transition from despair to joy without reverting to sorrow, there would indeed exist an unprecedented occurrence in time, one that transcends temporal limitations. Yet, why is this not applicable to the universe? Why should it not pertain to humanity, formed within this world? Should one not bypass the fictitious cycles posited by misguided philosophers that obscure righteous understanding? Some interpret the initial verses of Ecclesiastes, stating, "What has been, and what will be; and what has been done, will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun. There is something of which it is said, 'Look, behold, this is new'; but it was already in the ages that were before us" (Ecclesiastes 1:9-10), as a reference to these recurring cycles that restore everything back to its original state. However, this remark might relate to generational changes, where some generations pass away while others emerge, the cyclical nature of the sun, or the flow of rivers, or perhaps to the categories of all things that come and go. For instance, there were people before us, they exist with us, and they will exist after us; similarly, various animals and trees will continue in this cycle. Extraordinary events, while distinct, although some are believed to occur only once, have indeed happened and will happen again; these occurrences, despite their uniqueness, are not unprecedented under the heavens. Others interpret Solomon's message to imply that everything has been predestined by God, hence nothing is genuinely new under the sun. Nonetheless, it is inconsistent with sound faith to assume that Solomon referred to these circular phenomena, which, according to some, endlessly repeat the same periods and experiences. Just as the philosopher Plato taught his students in ancient Athens in a place called the Academy, there is no assertion that the same Plato, city, school, and students must endlessly reappear after countless ages. Such beliefs stand in contrast to our faith. Christ died once for our sins, and having been resurrected, "He dies no more: death hath no more power over Him" (Rom. 6:9); Post-resurrection, we are told that "we shall be with the Lord always" (1 Thess. 4:17). We proclaim what is noted in the sacred psalm: "Thou, O Lord, wilt keep them, Thou wilt keep them from this generation forever" (Psalm 11:8, 11:9)—not because their lives will traverse imagined cycles, but because this represents their misguided path of erroneous doctrine.

Gregory of Nyssa

4th centuryChurch Father

Following these reflections, Ecclesiastes engages in self-questioning and provides his own responses. Upon inquiring, "What was?" he asserts, "the same is, and the same will be." He poses another question: "What has been created?" to which he replies, "the same is what will be created." Thus, we might ask, why this inquiry? Based on our understanding, we would counter his assertions by stating, "If all of this is meaningless, then it is clear that nothing that has not occurred can be said to have occurred; and certainly, meaninglessness is indefensible, and no one will regard the indefensible as having truly transpired. If this is not the case, then articulate what has been or what persists in existence." Consequently, his response to this inquiry is succinct.

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If you wish to comprehend the past, reflect on the future, and through that reflection, you will gain insight into what has come before.

What this suggests is: consider, I implore you, human being, what you will become through virtue if you adorn your soul with righteous qualities in every respect, if you cleanse yourself from the blemishes of vice, if you remove from your character every trace of earthly impurities; what will you become in such a state of grace, what form will you embody? Should you delve into this with discernment, you will uncover what was originally fashioned in the image of God. I inquire of the Master: Where is that which once existed, and of which there is hope for its return in the future, yet is now absent? Undoubtedly, the one who imparts lofty teachings would respond using the same terminology; thus, the present is termed meaningless because it is not genuinely present.

Ecclesiastes claims, "that which was created is also created." Let none among you who hear this overlook the numerous and empty repetitions of expressions that differentiate between what was and what was made. Each of these terms delineates the difference between the soul and the body. The soul was (or rather: became), while the body was created. Not because the weight of these phrases indicates anything fundamentally different, but to allow us to draw conclusions about each of these aspects, the language distinguishes between the soul and the body. The soul was originally what it will be again after purification, and the body, shaped by God's hands, was created to reveal its true nature in resurrection. Just as you will perceive it post-resurrection, so too was it created in the beginning; for the resurrection is, without a doubt, a return to the original state. This is why Ecclesiastes also adds that nothing exists beyond the original. He states, "There is nothing new under the sun." In this, he seems to imply that if anything does not align with the original, it does not truly exist but is merely considered to have some form of being. When Ecclesiastes asserts, "nothing is new under the sun," he suggests that one might point to something occurring and declare, "This is new, and indeed has happened." This encapsulates the essence of the statement, which is read as follows: "And nothing is new under the sun; whoever shall speak and declare, 'Behold, this is new.'"

Jerome of Stridon

4th centuryChurch Father

What has occurred is akin to what is yet to come. Similarly, what has been performed is reflective of what will be undertaken. There exists nothing unfamiliar beneath the heavens. The observations previously articulated concerning the succession of generations, the steadfastness of the earth, the ascent and descent of the sun, the flow of rivers, the magnitude of the seas, and all that we perceive through our intellect, sight, or hearing indicate that there is nothing inherently new in the essence of existence that wasn’t already present.

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Since the beginning of creation, humanity has been born and has passed away, the earth has been suspended over the waters, and the sun has risen and set; not to mention the countless instances granted by the Creator whereby birds soar, fish swim, terrestrial creatures walk, and creeping beings crawl. A thought resembling this was voiced by a comedic poet: ‘Nothing is said that has not been said before.’ Therefore, my instructor Donatus offered this interpretation: ‘Let those perish who have claimed our words before us.’ If there can be no novel utterance in the realm of language, then certainly, there can be nothing new in the fabric of the world, which is so flawless from the onset that God rested from His labor on the seventh day. I have encountered a notion stating that if all that has been created under the sun existed in prior ages before being revealed now, and humanity was shaped only after the sun was created, it suggests humanity also existed before manifesting under the sun. However, this conclusion is not applicable as it could imply that livestock, insects, and all manner of creatures existed prior to the creation of the heavens. An objector might contend that it is clear from the subsequent assertions that Ecclesiastes speaks only of mankind, as he says, ‘There is nothing new under the sun, of which anyone has spoken and said, “This is new.”’ It is not animals that articulate such statements, but only humanity; if animals were to declare something new, the assertion that there is nothing new under the sun would be contradicted.

Gregory the Wonderworker

3rd centuryChurch Father

What could occur in the aftermath that has not already been accomplished or pursued by humankind? Is there anything that is unprecedented, never before encountered, and deserving of remembrance?

Ireneus (Orda)

19th centuryCommentator

Every aspect of existence—from human experiences to the natural world and the flow of history—is caught in an unending pattern of emergence and fading. Nothing remains in a state of tranquility and fails to provide solace to those in pursuit of it. Delving into the purpose of life yields no meaningful conclusions. The pursuit of wisdom does not offer peace; given that humanity cannot alter the fabric of the universe, knowledge often leads only to distress. Consequently, the preacher explores the joys of life, questioning whether they might offer mankind the rest and satisfaction it craves.

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