The Church Fathers on this verse

Hebrews 12:8Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are made partakers, then are you bastards and not sons.

Douay-Rheims

ει δε χωρις εστε παιδειας ης μετοχοι γεγονασιν παντες αρα νοθοι εστε και ουχ υιοι

Greek (Byzantine text)

The Church Fathers on this verse

8 Church Fathers comment on this verse · 9 commentaries

John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

Then he points also to the common custom: "But if," he says, "you remain without chastening, of which all are partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons." Do you see, as I said above, that it is impossible for a son to remain unchastened? In families, fathers do not care about illegitimate children, even if they learn nothing and never become known. But they care about legitimate sons, so that they may not be careless. So it is here. Therefore, if being unchastened is proper to illegitimate children, one must rejoice in chastening as a sign of true kinship.

Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons. For what son is there whom a father does not chasten? If you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

By the example of those about whom they thought that they had been abandoned by God, he shows them that they were the objects of God’s care.

If you were strangers to afflictions, it would appear that you were illegitimate children and not sons. For what father cares for the upbringing and chastity of illegitimate sons?

Since you are subjected to oppression, your life thereby appears chaste and temperate. So also all the righteous mentioned above are plainly righteous, and they were called sons of God.

It is clear that this does not contradict the fact that God deals with you as with sons and cares for you, lest, being undisciplined, you fall away, and lest for this He deprive you of the inheritance.

Ephraem the Syrian

4th centuryChurch Father

But if you remain without His chastening, of which all became partakers and through which they became pleasing to Him, then by your deeds you are illegitimate children and not sons.

Theodoret of Cyrus

5th centuryChurch Father

"If you endure chastening," that is, if you bravely endure the chastisements imposed on you, "God deals with you as with sons. For what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons." Fathers, says the Apostle, are accustomed to chasten legitimate children. When they see their teachers beating them, they do not grieve, because they see the fruit of chastening. But they neglect children born outside lawful marriage and do not deem them worthy of equal care. Therefore, if you also avoid chastening, you belong to the number of illegitimate children.

Euthymios Zigabenos

11th centuryChurch Father

It has been said that every son is chastened. If this is so, then everyone who is not chastened is not a son. In families, parents pay no attention to illegitimate children, even if they learn nothing and are not distinguished by good conduct. But they care greatly for their own.

Therefore one must rejoice in chastening, because it is a sign of legitimate sonship when a man is scourged and chastened, not as an evildoer, but as a son. He is restrained and guarded, while what is bad in him and around him is corrected, and he is taught what is best.

All the sons of God, the righteous, were partakers of chastening. None of them reached perfection without affliction.

Tichon of Zadonsk

18th centuryChurch Father

A father does not chasten other people's children, even when he sees that they are unreformed. So too the Heavenly Father leaves without chastening those people who are not His own and not of His household, as not being His: "But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons" (Heb 12:8).

When a father leaves his son without chastening and permits him to live according to his own will, it is evident that he has cast him away from himself. So also, when God leaves a man without chastening, this is a sign of his rejection from God’s mercy.

Nothing else remains for such a man except to endure God’s eternal wrath upon himself. For all God’s elect and His children have been, and now are, partakers of His fatherly chastening.

A Christian ought to desire the fatherly chastening of God, not flee from it. When it comes, he should rejoice and thank the heavenly Father for it.

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How useful and necessary this fatherly chastening of God is for us cannot even be expressed. Consider how many spiritual infirmities are hidden in our heart, born with us in fleshly birth. What pride, anger, malice, envy, love of money, impurity, and other things are there!

The all-seeing eye of God sees all these infirmities. By bringing afflictions and misfortunes, as by a harsh medicine, He wishes to heal them, if we surrender ourselves to His will.

Every affliction and misfortune teaches us humility, patience, meekness, and every other good. Who, in sickness, will want to be malicious and take revenge? Who, in poverty, prison, or exile, will be proud?

Misfortune teaches one to humble oneself and endure everything. Misfortune is like a bridle by which fierce horses are restrained and tamed. Our nature grows fierce and as though rages, but by calamities and misfortunes, as by a bridle, it is restrained and tamed.

Although calamity and the affliction that befalls us are bitter for our flesh, they are healing for our soul. We are comforted and rejoice when a physician heals our infirm body, even if the healing comes through bitter and harsh medicine. We thank him and pay him a reward.

All the more should we rejoice and thank God from the heart when He heals our spiritual infirmities by afflictions and misfortunes.

Ignatij (Briantchaninow)

19th centuryChurch Father

"But if you are without chastening," says the Apostle, "of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons." Here one must note the word "all": all the righteous passed their earthly life in afflictions. Not one of them reached heaven by walking the broad path of earthly prosperity.

Rosanow N.P.

19th centuryChurch Father

All the more, we must not grow faint under the action of the various calamities of our life. God sends these calamities to us as a loving Father, for our strengthening in the good. The Apostle speaks with amazement that the readers have not yet endured the extreme calamity, and yet have already managed to forget the encouraging words of Holy Scripture (Prov 3:11-12). From the words of Scripture, the readers should have drawn the conclusion that those who are not chastened by God are not acknowledged by Him as sons.

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Greek text, 15 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. εἰ
    ei
    if
    G1487 · εἰ
  2. δὲ
    de
    but
    G1161 · δέ
  3. χωρίς
    chōris
    apart from
    G5565 · χωρίς
  4. ἐστε
    este
    I am
    G1510 · εἰμί
  5. παιδείας
    paideias
    discipline
    G3809 · παιδεία
  6. ἧς
    hēs
    who
    G3739 · ὅς, ἥ
  7. μέτοχοι
    metochoi
    a sharer
    G3353 · μέτοχος
  8. γεγόνασιν
    gegonasin
    I come into being
    G1096 · γίνομαι
  9. πάντες
    pantes
    all
    G3956 · πᾶς
  10. ἄρα
    ara
    then
    G686 · ἄρα
  11. νόθοι
    nothoi
    illegitimate
    G3541 · νόθος
  12. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  13. οὐχ
    ouch
    no
    G3756 · οὐ
  14. υἱοί
    huioi
    a son
    G5207 · υἱός
  15. ἐστε
    este
    I am
    G1510 · εἰμί