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Hebrews 5:8Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

And whereas indeed he was the Son of God, he learned obedience by the things which he suffered.

Douay-Rheims

καιπερ ων υιος εμαθεν αφ ων επαθεν την υπακοην

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11 Church Fathers comment on this verse

John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

What, then, shall we say about the prophets? What sequence is there between the words, "He was heard because of His reverence," and the following words, "Though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience through the things which He suffered"? Who can say this of God? Who is so senseless? What madman can assert this? "He was heard," he says, "because of His reverence." "Though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience through the things which He suffered." What obedience did He learn? Having already shown obedience even unto death, as Son to the Father, how did He afterward learn obedience? Do you see that this is said of the flesh? Tell me, then, why did He pray to the Father for deliverance from death, become sorrowful, and say: "If it is possible, let this cup pass from Me" (Mt 26:39)?

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Yet He never prayed to the Father concerning the Resurrection. On the contrary, He says of Himself: "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up" (Jn 2:19). Again He says: "No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it again" (Jn 10:18). What does this mean? Why did He pray? Elsewhere He says: "Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and scribes. They will condemn Him to death and deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock, scourge, and crucify. And on the third day He will rise" (Mt 20:18-19). He does not say, The Father will raise Me. Why, then, did He pray about this? But for whom did He pray? For those who believe in Him. The meaning of the apostle's words is this: He is quickly heard. Since the hearers did not have a proper understanding of Him, Paul says that He was heard. So He Himself also said, to comfort the disciples: "If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, I go to the Father, for My Father is greater than I" (Jn 14:28). Why did He not glorify Himself, He Who emptied Himself and delivered Himself up to death? For Scripture says, "He gave Himself for our sins" (Gal 1:4). Again, it says that He "gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim 2:6). What, then, does this mean? Clearly He had His flesh in view when He spoke humbly about Himself. So here also the apostle says, "He was heard because of His reverence," wishing to show that this was more His merit than an act of God's grace. Such was His reverence, he says, that God honored Him for this also. "He learned obedience," he says. Here again he shows what benefit comes from sufferings.

Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

"Though He was a Son." Although as Son He had natural boldness before Him, so great and worthy of honor was His reverence. Therefore do not lose heart, since you have a Lord Whom the Father hears. Whatever you ask of Him, He will accomplish for you. Christ Himself says this to the disciples in the Gospel: "My Father is greater than I" (Jn 14:28), and, "Whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you" (Jn 16:23). "Yet He learned obedience through the things which He suffered." He became accustomed, he says, to obeying God the Father, having learned this through sufferings. What is said here seems simply incredible.

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How did He learn obedience through sufferings, when before the sufferings He was so obedient to the Father that He accepted the sufferings themselves because of obedience? For it says, He was obedient even unto death (Phil 2:8). Understand it, then, in this way. Since they were faint-hearted and proved disobedient, he speaks humbly of the Son of God. By this condition of His, he persuades them to submit and show obedience to God's will. He also urges them not to lose heart in misfortunes, but to await help from above. For, he says, even the Son, having endured suffering for obedience, was heard by the Father, and His soul was delivered from death. From that time He continually learned to obey God, since obedience has great power. Therefore, if He received benefit from sufferings, much more can you receive it. Do you see how the apostle Paul, for the benefit of his hearers, went so far as to say what might seem improper? But listen further.

Gregory the Theologian

4th centuryChurch Father

The same view applies to the statement that He learned obedience through sufferings, and also to His cry, tears, prayer, being heard, and reverence (Heb 5:7-8).

All this is accomplished and wondrously gathered together on our behalf.

As the Word, He was neither obedient nor disobedient. Both belong to those who are subject and secondary, the one to the well-disposed and the other to those worthy of punishment.

But as "the form of a servant" (Phil 2:7), He condescends to fellow servants and servants. He takes upon Himself another's likeness, presenting in Himself the whole of me and all that is mine.

He does this in order to consume in Himself what is worse in me, as fire consumes wax or the sun consumes earthly vapor. Through union with Him, I may partake of what belongs to Him.

Ephraem the Syrian

4th centuryChurch Father

He desired that the Father's will be accomplished in Himself. From this it was clearly revealed that He was the Son of God, since He laid down His soul for creatures in fulfillment of the good pleasure of Him Who sent Him. His obedience was also clearly revealed through those who crucified Him. Therefore, if the crucifiers themselves prove to be witnesses that He was heard, then He desired to die. He asked that His Father's will be accomplished. Likewise, He offered supplications with loud prayer to Him Who could save Him from death. He Who came in order to die did not pray for deliverance from death. Nor did He ask for resurrection after death, if this had already been promised Him. Rather, He prayed for those who crucified Him, so that they might not be subjected to death for it.

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And He was heard in His prayers, because access was opened so that those who crucified Him could receive life. The One Who did this, Who humbled Himself to such abasement and suffering for the sake of His murderers, is the Son of God. From this it was revealed that He was heard, namely, from the fact that He suffered. Through this some of His murderers were converted and, by their repentance, became preachers of His Resurrection. Perhaps the apostle also had himself in mind when he said this about his neighbors.

Theodoret of Cyrus

5th centuryChurch Father

Who, unless utterly deranged in mind, would say that this was spoken of the divine nature? If the divine Paul did not fear death, but desired "to depart and be with Christ" (Phil 1:23), how could God the Word have feared death?

When men foretold what would happen to him in Jerusalem and tried to restrain him, Paul said, "What are you doing, weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be bound, but also to die for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ" (Acts 21:13).

How then could God the Word, the Creator of the ages, unchangeable, immutable, and free from suffering, have feared death?

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Perhaps even to speak at length on this is a sign of extreme folly. The excess of abasement expressed in these words compels even the blasphemers of the Godhead to apply nothing of the kind to the Godhead.

The Godhead permitted the humanity to endure this, in order to teach us that God the Word truly became man and assumed human nature. The mystery of the divine economy was accomplished neither in fantasy nor in appearance.

For even with all this, Simon, Menander, Cerdo, Marcion, Valentinus, Basilides, Bardesanes, and Manes taught their followers that Christ had no human nature at all.

Clearly, an even greater number of people would have fallen into this error if He had not endured human infirmities, apart from sin.

By "the days of His flesh," the Apostle means the time of mortality, that is, the time when Christ had a mortal body.

He speaks of the prayer which Christ prayed before the Passion, saying, "Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me" (Mt 26:39).

The Apostle spoke in an intensified manner when he said, "He learned obedience through what He suffered." Christ showed obedience not after the suffering, but before the suffering.

By perfection he means the Resurrection and immortality, for this is the goal of the divine economy.

He presented all the sufferings in an intensified way, not only to prove the truth of the Incarnation, but also to confirm the word he had already spoken.

"For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our infirmities, but One who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin."

Thus he also persuades those to whom he wrote to remain in the faith and boldly trust in the compassion and love for mankind of this High Priest.

[...] we find that He often prays and bends the knee. The Apostle clearly teaches that this belongs to human nature, not to the Godhead, which is in need of nothing.

He says in the Epistle to the Hebrews: "In the days of His flesh, He offered up prayers and supplications, with loud crying and tears, to Him Who was able to save Him from death."

"And He was heard because of His reverence. Though He was a Son, He learned obedience through what He suffered. And having been made perfect, He became the cause of eternal salvation to all who obey Him" (Heb 5:7-9).

It was not God the Word Who was made perfect, for He is perfect before the ages. Rather, it was the form of a servant, made dispassionate, incorruptible, and immortal.

Therefore the Apostle said that the Lord accomplished this "in the days of His flesh," when He had a mortal body. All this belongs to the humanity, not to the Godhead.

The Godhead permitted the humanity to endure this, in order to teach us that God the Word truly became man and assumed human nature. The mystery of the divine economy was accomplished neither in fantasy nor in appearance.

Euthymios Zigabenos

11th centuryChurch Father

Here is the conclusion of the discourse on this matter: "In the days of His flesh," having accomplished both, namely the Incarnation and the sufferings, "He learned," as man, to obey God and fulfill His will.

He learned on the basis of what He endured. What then does "He learned" mean? It means that He acted, or advanced in righteous deeds, as man, though as God He was the Son of God.

Do you see the profit of sufferings? They perfect obedience. You also should perfect in yourselves, through sufferings, this great and Christlike work.

The Apostle set this before them in order to persuade and encourage them to obedience to God.

Gregory the Theologian, explaining this saying, says: This is why the Apostle adorns obedience with the deed itself and points to its expression in sufferings.

Indeed, intention alone is not enough even for us, if in deed we were to turn away from it. The deed is the proof of the intention. By intention, Gregory means the disposition in general.

Photios of Constantinople

9th centuryChurch Father

The following matters require examination here. First, how could the Apostle say that He was heard, when He prayed for deliverance from death and did not escape death, since He was crucified and died?

Second, on account of what reverence was He heard? Third, to what should the words "though He was a Son" be referred?

If they are joined to the preceding phrase, we get: "He was heard because of His reverence, though He was a Son." If they are joined to what follows, we get: "Though He was a Son, He learned obedience through sufferings."

The difference between these phrases is great.

Concerning the first, we think that Jesus addressed the Father with not one petition, but two. One was for deliverance from death, and the other concerned death itself.

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For in the same prayer He says, "Nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done" (Lk 22:42; cf. Mt 26:39).

John shows this more clearly when he says that the Son prayed, "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may also glorify You" (Jn 17:1).

By glory He clearly means the Cross and death. Concerning this, the divine Paul beautifully said, "He was heard."

Second, the words "because of His reverence" are more easily understood from what has been said about the two petitions: one for deliverance from death, and one consenting to it.

The latter proceeds from reverence before the Father and His will. Therefore Paul says, "And having been made perfect," that is, having been recognized as perfect, ineffably good, and full of love for mankind through His sufferings, Cross, and death.

The Apostle hints at this above when he speaks of prayers and supplications, that is, of two petitions.

Third, the phrase "though He was a Son" should be understood thus: since Christ was on earth "in the days of His flesh," He offered prayers and supplications.

As Son and as God, being the same as the Father, Christ already knew this obedience and its greatness before He was obedient to the Father, in Paul's words, "even unto death" (Phil 2:8).

Yet, being heard, He learned it in sufferings and trials. Under this interpretation, the words "though He was a Son" present no difficulty.

John of Tobolsk

17th centuryChurch Father

The words of Christ cited above are true. Therefore the conclusion that follows from them is also true.

For this reason we can do nothing better or safer for ourselves, that is, more saving for the soul, than to submit completely to the will of God. We must surrender our will wholly to it.

Let us repeat the words of Eli the priest: "He is the Lord. Let Him do what is good in His sight" (1 Kgs 3:18).

Let us repeat the words of Joab, David's commander: "Now your servant knows that I have found favor in your sight, my lord, O king, because the king has done according to the word of his servant" (2 Kgs 14:22).

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Let us repeat the words of King David himself: "If I find favor in the eyes of the Lord, He will bring me back and let me see Him and His dwelling place. But if He says, 'I have no pleasure in you,' then I shall humbly cry, 'Here I am. Do with me according to Your holy will'" (2 Kgs 15:25-26).

Let us repeat the words of Judas Maccabeus: "As the will in heaven shall be, so may the Lord do" (1 Macc 3:60).

Finally, let each one pray, surrendering himself wholly to the will of God together with Christ the Savior: "My Father, if this cup cannot pass from Me unless I drink it, Your will be done" (Mt 26:42).

If the Son of God was so obedient and perfectly fulfilled the will of His heavenly Father, saying of Himself, "I came down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of the Father who sent Me" (Jn 6:38), then much more should servants obey.

If this was required of the Son of God as man, then servants should obey their Lord and Master of life and death. They should follow His will wholly and resist His dominion in nothing.

Holy truth requires of us that whatever was pleasing to God from eternity should be pleasing to every man.

A soldier in the ranks, hearing the trumpet or the beat of the drum summoning him to march, gathers his things. When he receives the order to enter battle against the enemy, he leaves behind everything superfluous that could hinder the fight.

He puts on his armor and is ready in heart, eyes, and ears to attend to the commander's speech. He is ready to carry out perfectly everything set forth in it.

So must we act while we spend the whole course of our temporal life in warfare against the impulses and passions of the flesh, the delusions of the world, and the temptations of the proud spirit of darkness.

We must be obedient in all things to our leader, teacher, and guide, our Savior Jesus Christ, our Lord. According to our strength, we must imitate His example and deeds, set forth in His Gospel teaching.

Therefore, Christian brethren, let us willingly and unwaveringly follow our Leader and Lord. Let us surrender ourselves wholly to His holy will.

Whatever may happen to us on this sorrowful path, whether inconvenient or burdensome, let us endure everything patiently, without murmuring, and with good courage.

We know beforehand that on the path of life there are not only flowers, but also thorns.

A good soldier does not hide from bullets and bayonets. On the contrary, he gladly counts his wounds and speaks of them. He does not reproach his commander, but becomes still more attached to him and loves him from the heart.

Let us remember once and for all the call of our Savior: "Follow Me, and leave the dead," that is, those sunk in vain worldly cares, "to bury their own dead" (Mt 8:22).

Whoever complains, weeps, and sighs over the difficulties of following this call is foolish. These difficulties, by the will of God, meet us on the path of our temporal life.

He is also foolish if he submits to this call only because he cannot resist it.

For what folly it is to prefer being compelled to fulfill one's duty rather than fulfilling it freely.

It is likewise folly to murmur and curse one's life when something unpleasant, sorrowful, or generally burdensome appears in it.

It is folly to be terrified and to endure with bitter complaints what befalls all people, both good and evil alike.

I mean sickness, death, weakness in some matter, and everything else undesirable that meets each of us in life.

Whatever is required of all equally, either by the laws of common life or by the immutable laws of nature, we must endure nobly. This is true even if it seems contrary or unpleasant to us.

We have been called to this, and we cannot avoid what is not in our power.

Ivanov A.V.

19th centuryChurch Father

"Though He was a Son." Above (Heb 5:5), the Apostle showed that Christ received the right, or glory, of high priesthood from God the Father, Who named Him His Son.

Now he proves that, by His obedience also, which Jesus Christ revealed and confirmed through His sufferings, He became the cause of salvation, or High Priest, for those who obey Him, that is, those who believe in Him.

In other words, in the days of His flesh, Jesus Christ acquired by His obedience the right to priesthood, that is, the right to save men. He had been appointed to this by the Father from eternity.

Here, however, sonship is understood according to His humanity, because obedience and training are joined to it. This could not be said of the Godhead.

Michail Cheraskov

19th centuryChurch Father

"And He was heard because of His reverence," meaning the Savior's obedience and surrender to the will of His Heavenly Father.

In what sense was Christ the High Priest heard? Not in the sense of being saved from death, for He Himself came voluntarily to this death.

The sign of Christ's prayer being heard was the angel of the Lord sent to Him by the Heavenly Father to strengthen Him (Lk 22:43).

"Though He was a Son, He learned obedience through what He suffered" (Heb 5:8). These words mark the priestly character of Christ, the high-priestly feature.

The sufferings on the Cross which Christ endured for men were the great propitiatory sacrifice for them. The many repeated sacrifices offered for men by the high priests in the Old Covenant served as its type.

Rosanow N.P.

19th centuryChurch Father

Through these Gethsemane sufferings, Jesus, as man, learned obedience, εις ύπαχοήν. That is, the prayer He offered as a sacrifice to God the Father was accepted, and Christ obediently knew how to accept death.

The Old Testament high priest could offer sacrifice for the people only after he had offered sacrifice for himself. Likewise, Christ offered sacrifice for all mankind only after, with supplications and tears, He had borne witness to His own weakness.

After these prayers, He was freed from the bonds of that weakness.

Moreover, the Apostle notes that Christ, as the Son of God, strictly speaking, ought not to have suffered on the Cross.

He probably has in view that the high priest who appeared in the Holy of Holies appeared as intercessor not for his own sins, but for those of others.

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Greek text, 9 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. καίπερ
    kaiper
    although
    G2539 · καίπερ
  2. ὢν
    ōn
    I am
    G1510 · εἰμί
  3. Υἱός
    huios
    a son
    G5207 · υἱός
  4. ἔμαθεν
    emathen
    I learn
    G3129 · μανθάνω
  5. ἀφ᾽
    aph
    from
    G575 · ἀπό
  6. ὧν
    hōn
    who
    G3739 · ὅς, ἥ
  7. ἔπαθεν
    epathen
    I am acted upon
    G3958 · πάσχω
  8. τὴν
    tēn
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  9. ὑπακοήν
    hypakoēn
    obedience
    G5218 · ὑπακοή