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Job 38:5Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Douay-Rheims

מִי־שָׂ֣ם מְ֭מַדֶּיהָ כִּ֣י תֵדָ֑ע א֤וֹ מִֽי־נָטָ֖ה עָלֶ֣יהָ קָּֽו׃

Hebrew (Masoretic text)

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4 Church Fathers comment on this verse

John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

Indeed, the earth was intentionally and purposefully created, and I believe that adding anything to it would be unnecessary, just as removing anything would harm its integrity. This is what is reflected in the terms ‘measures’ and ‘verve.’

Gregory the Great

6th centuryChurch Father

Where were you when I established the foundations of the earth? Answer me, if you know. Who determined its dimensions, if you have the knowledge? Or who extended the measuring line across it? On what are its foundations secured? Job 38:4-6.

ALLEGORICAL INTERPRETATION. Here, the entire historical account appears to focus solely on the creation of the universe, yet it immediately shifts to signify something deeper regarding the Church, not merely the world. The phrase “Who laid the cornerstone?” indicates a reference beyond the original creation, introducing a concept not found in the description of the world’s formation. The juxtaposition of obscure elements alongside simple truths invites a mystical exploration, pushing us to glean insights beyond the straightforward meaning.

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Just as we understand hidden truths by referencing clearly understood ones, we also confront obscured elements to gain a richer comprehension of the evident. Thus, we are confronted with the query, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?” The foundations must refer to the sacred preachers since God positioned them as the very base of the Church, upon which the entire structure of faith stands.

Consequently, when the priest enters the sanctuary, he is instructed to carry the twelve stones on his heart (Ex. 28:21), symbolic of our High Priest, who, presenting Himself as a sacrifice for us, established the foremost preachers while bearing those stones. The holy Apostles serve as these foundational stones, integral to the Church’s construction. Echoing this, the prophet David acknowledges that the sacred Church is built on the elevated wisdom of the Apostles, proclaiming, “Her foundation is upon the holy stones” (Psalms 86:2). However, when Scripture references the “foundation” in singular form, it signifies none other than the Lord Himself, whose divine will and power strengthen our fragile hearts. Paul reiterates this by stating, “No other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ” (1 Cor. 3:11). He embodies the foundation of foundations, being both the initial support for new believers and the steadfastness for the strong.

The mention of those who uphold us serves to prevent the exaltation of Job from his virtuous place. Thus, Job is tested at the outset of the Lord’s inquiries, allowing him to consider how he ought to view his situation in light of those deemed more worthy. The Lord describes the past since what remains seemingly future has already been established through divine intent. He says to Job, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?” implying, “Contemplate the virtues of the strong and recognize me as your Creator, existing before time. As you behold these remarkable beings I have formed within time, consider your full submission to me as the Creator of marvels beyond the confines of time.”

Now, concerning the measurements established on the earth, their purpose is that correct proportions may be acknowledged in every direction. The Lord, incarnating within the Church, set forth these measurements, delineating the boundaries of the Church through His subtle and secret judgment. Hidden measures were applied when the holy preachers, guided by the Spirit, traveled to various regions of the world while abstaining from others. For instance, when the Apostle Paul was called to Macedonia through a vision (Acts 16:9), he did not pursue Asia, as the Spirit restrained him (Acts 16:7). This delineation reveals that Macedonia was receptive to the boundaries of the Holy Church, while Asia was left untouched by faith.

Within these spiritual confines exists the elect, while the marginalized remain outside, even if they present themselves as faithful. Therefore, it is declared in Revelation, “The court which is without the temple, exclude it, and do not measure it” (Rev 11:2). The court signifies the breadth of earthly existence, and those marked as outside it rightfully do not fall under measurement. The path leading to life is narrow (Matt. 7:14), and the expansiveness of those living in wickedness does not permit them to align with the measure accorded to the elect. Divine judgments operate in the hidden spaces of the heart, where one individual professes an eagerness to follow (Matt. 8:19) but is rebuffed, while another requesting permission to attend to familial matters (Lk. 9:59) is instead upheld. This divergence illustrates how divine measures are established within hearts—some embraced within, others justly set apart.

Recognizing that these secret judgments of God are universal knowledge, the Lord questions Job, “Tell me, if you know who laid the measure thereof, or who stretched out the rope over it?” Such inquiries are intended to remind Job of forgotten knowledge and compel him to regard the divine mysteries with greater solemnity, affirming that human capacity is subordinate to the power of the Creator. Acknowledging the one who invisibly executes these wonders prevents self-exaltation; instead, it cultivates humility as he perceives everything relying on the measure of the divine. Thus, we see how understanding of His measures reinforces steadfastness in humility inspired by awe before the One who defines the boundaries of our existence.

Ireneus (Orda)

19th centuryCommentator

During Elisha's final address, the heavens were filled with clouds, and the sound of thunder began to resonate. This moment provided Elisha the opportunity to proclaim the might and majesty of God manifested in the storms and thunder. Following this tempest, the voice of the Lord was distinctly heard. God did not come to elucidate the workings of His Providence concerning human fate to Job and his companions, nor did He aim to answer the inquiry regarding human happiness and suffering that preoccupied Job's friends. Instead, He intended to illustrate the futility of humanity attempting to comprehend such matters and the depths of divine mystery.

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The Lord spoke directly to Job, who had dared to seek answers to these profound questions, prompting him to listen carefully and presenting him with inquiries from the natural realm. Through questions concerning ordinary aspects of the physical world, the Lord sought to reveal the far greater challenge of understanding moral dilemmas (38: 1-3).

Initially, God inquired of Job about the foundation and early condition of the earth, suggesting how limited human understanding truly is, especially if one cannot answer this singular question (4-6). Meanwhile, God fashioned the earth with the same ease as an individual constructs a simple building—His act of creation was so magnificent and splendid that the heavenly beings declared His praise in a loud chorus (7). The power and wisdom of the Creator are equally exhibited in the confinement of the deep waters (8 - 11) and in the distinction between light and darkness (12 - 15). Yet, these depths and boundaries of light and darkness are not beyond human observation (16-20). Ordinary earthly occurrences—such as snow, hail, rain, and frost—are not under human authority (21-30), and even less are the movements of the stars and all atmospheric changes reliant upon them (31-38).

As the Lord directed His attention to the wondrous aspects of nature, which are intimately connected to humanity, He highlighted the remarkable instincts of animals. He made it clear to Job that it is through His nurturing care that predators and birds are sustained (39-41).

Vissarion (Nechaev)

19th centuryCommentator

In describing the creation of the earth, the Lord likens it to a house, positioning Himself as the architect who carefully designed the building’s dimensions in width, length, and depth. He established strong pillars and bonds on a solid foundation, meticulously arranging every element according to the principles of architecture. When we observe this grand structure, we cannot help but admire the wisdom and artistry of the architect. Yet, the traces of divine wisdom, artistry, and power displayed in God’s creation of the earth are even more remarkable. He has appointed all things precisely, as stated, “by measure, number, and weight” (Prem. 11:21). He suspended the earth in space, designating its place, where it orbits the sun along the paths laid out for it, without deviating (Job 26:7).

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The gravitational force at the earth’s core serves as the cornerstone, the unwavering foundation that supports the seas and continents. Given such extraordinary power and wisdom from the Creator of the earth, how unreasonable and audacious it is for humanity to voice discontent with God's governance! Is not the wisdom and strength evident in the earth’s creation sufficient to maintain order in the lives of its inhabitants? Job recognized, of course, that the world was shaped by the Lord’s omnipotence and wisdom, frequently highlighting this truth in his discussions with friends, making his grievances against God—who permits unrighteousness to flourish among men—all the more inappropriate.

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