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Job 38:4Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? tell me if thou hast understanding.

Douay-Rheims

אֵיפֹ֣ה הָ֭יִיתָ בְּיָסְדִי־אָ֑רֶץ הַ֝גֵּ֗ד אִם־יָדַ֥עְתָּ בִינָֽה׃

Hebrew (Masoretic text)

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John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

What is your response, He inquires? ‘Having crafted the earth with such precision, would I look down upon you, for whom I fashioned it?’ Thus, He does not reference wisdom in the creation of humanity, nor in the artistry of upbringing; rather, from the overwhelming wisdom evident in the creation of the earth and the heavens, He illustrates that if the world benefits from such diligence on your behalf, how much more should you be valued? He did not proclaim, ‘When I created,’ but said, ‘when I laid the foundations,’ for this act was a masterpiece, to establish the earth, which was without foundation, support, or backing, and to arrange and secure this immense structure so that it would remain steadfast for an appointed time.

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As Job was weighed down by despair, the Lord uses these words to uplift him, prompting him to listen to what is forthcoming. God initiates His dialogue with a question, for this method is particularly effective for admonishment. Above all, He demonstrates that His actions are always marked by wisdom and intelligence, asserting that the One who has fashioned such an array of things with insight could not forsake humanity, for whose sake He has created all things skillfully, allowing it to suffer aimlessly.

Are you of the same stature as the Creator to summon Him to answer for His actions? He exists from eternity, while you appear in a later age. When I formed the earth, you were not present; when I shaped the sea, you had no part, nor were you involved in the creation of anything else. All things were brought into existence, and you were absent. So, do you call upon the One who is eternal, the Originator of all things, to render judgment? When I measured the earth, when I set its pillars, when the sea emerged, when I birthed it from its depths, where were you? When I enveloped the earth in clouds and surrounded it with mist, where were you? (Job 38:5-11) In this moment, he (Job) acknowledges that he spoke amiss, certainly in bitterness but also in ignorance. And how does God respond? He does not reprimand him publicly, but offers correction in private, as a true friend.

Gregory the Great

6th centuryChurch Father

Where were you when I established the foundations of the earth? Answer me, if you possess the knowledge. Who determined its dimensions, if you know? Or who extended the measuring line across it? Job 38:4-6. In an allegorical interpretation, we encounter everything encompassed within the historical account, appearing solely to pertain to the world's origin. However, there is an immediate connection to be made, suggesting that what is addressed pertains not merely to the world’s creation, but to that of the Church. The question posed is, “Or who laid the cornerstone?” This points to something not formed at the world’s inception, signified by a phrase absent from the narrative describing creation.

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When complex elements intermingle with more straightforward concepts, this occurs so that, through examining what deviates from the literal interpretation, we may discern, from a spiritual standpoint, what is truly intended. Just as we identify hidden aspects through clear manifestations, we also encounter obscured truths, allowing us to gain a richer understanding of those we initially perceive as evident. Thus, let us reflect on the inquiry, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?” In Scriptures, when we talk about foundations, does it not refer to the holy ministers? As these were placed by God at the foundation of the Church, the entire structure of what was yet to come rose up from them. Consequently, the priest is instructed, upon entering the tabernacle, to carry the twelve stones on his heart Ex 28:21, because our High Priest, presenting Himself as a sacrifice for us, also bore these twelve stones upon Him in His offering at the beginnings of the Church. Therefore, the holy Apostles represent those stones upon the foundational structure. When David the prophet recognized that the holy Church stood firm upon the noble insights of the Apostles, he proclaimed, "Her foundation is upon the holy stones" Psalms 86:2. When Scripture refers to a ‘foundation’ in singular form, it points exclusively to the Lord Himself, through whose power and divine will our fragile hearts are strengthened. This truth is echoed by Paul, who states, “No other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ” 1 Cor 3:11. He is indeed the ultimate foundation, serving as both the initial point for new believers and the steadfastness for the strong. Therefore, those who bear our burdens are highlighted, lest the blessed Job become conceited by the strength of his own virtues. Job's humility is tested at the outset of the Lord’s inquiries, invoking the names of the esteemed preachers so that he might grow in self-awareness, recognizing his shortcomings in contrast to them. This is noted by the Lord as a past action, as what presently appears as ongoing may already be subsumed by divine predestination. The question, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?” could thus be paraphrased as: “Consider the virtues of the strong and remember who I am – your Creator from before time; when you observe these remarkable beings I formed, reflect on your own need for submission to Me, who am the Author of wonders beyond time.”

Regarding the lines of measure laid on the earth, they ensure accuracy throughout. The Lord, in His incarnation, marked these lines upon the earth, delineating the boundaries of the Church through His profound and hidden judgments. Such measures became apparent when the holy preachers were led by the Spirit to certain regions while being kept away from others. For example, when Apostles neglected to preach in Macedonia, a Macedonian man appeared to Paul in a vision, saying, “Come to Macedonia, and help us” Acts 16:9. Conversely, it is recorded that when the apostle sought to go to Bithynia, “the Spirit did not permit them” Acts 16:7. This shows that the secret measures of divine selection embraced Macedonia but omitted Asia. Some there were not chosen to be gathered into the Church’s embrace; as such, they perished according to their own desires, while Asia came under the Church's divine boundaries. Within these established measures lies all the chosen, while the unworthy remain outside, even if they appear to be part of the community of faith. Thus, it is noted in Revelation, “The court which is outside the temple, cast it out and do not measure it” Rev 11:2. The court signifies the expanse of earthly existence; those outside the temple rightly go unmeasured, as entry into life is narrow, evident in the words, “narrow is the gate that leads to life” Matt 7:14, thus rendering the path for the wicked incapable of leading them to the measure and rule of the elect. These spiritual measures are drawn by the hidden judgments when one individual proclaims, “Master, I will follow you wherever you go” Matthew 8:19, only to receive the Master’s response, “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay His head” Matthew 8:20. These judgments manifest when another person asks, “Lord, permit me to go and bury my father” Lk 9:59, receiving the reply, “Let the dead bury their dead, but you go and preach the kingdom of God” Lk 9:60. Observe how the one who pledges to follow Him is denied, whereas the one requesting permission is allowed to proceed. What accounts for this difference? It is because the divine measures of judgement are established within the heart, where some are enclosed and others justly left outside. Acknowledging that God administers these judgments leads to the inquiry directed at Job, “Answer me, if you know. Who determined its dimensions, if you know? Or who extended the line across it?” The intent behind this question is to remind Job of knowledge he possesses but might overlook, emphasizing the need to contemplate the profound ramifications of God’s hidden justice, which aligns the order of man not with human ability, but with the divine might of the Creator. By consistently recalling the One who invisibly orchestrates these works, he cannot attribute merit to himself and instead recognizes his reliance on God’s secret judgments. In observing the measures stretched from above, he becomes increasingly firm in humble fear, aware that all relies on the power of the one who establishes these measures.

Olympiodorus of Alexandria

6th centuryChurch Father

When you felt disheartened, He mentions, due to your uncertainty regarding the events unfolding in your life and the nature of your struggle, I pose various other inquiries whose significance remains unclear to you. The Lord enlightens us, addressing His faithful companion, revealing that He is the Creator of all and that the depths of His wisdom are beyond our grasp. It is essential to recognize that at this stage of the dialogue, the concept of the creation of the world is first articulated by the Divine voice. For it is acknowledged that Job lived prior to the giving of the Law.

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If the magnificence and splendor of creation allow for the acknowledgment of its Creator—which has been evident to those who love God for ages—this is now being proclaimed to us for the first time through the Divine voice. Therefore, if you possess insight into the formation of all created things, respond to me.

Ireneus (Orda)

19th centuryCommentator

During Elisha's final address, the skies grew dark and thunder rumbled, providing him the opportunity to speak of God's majesty and might amid storms. Following this display of power, the voice of the Lord was heard. God did not come to clarify His providential ways regarding human fate or to resolve the dilemmas concerning human joy and sorrow that preoccupied Job's companions. Instead, He aimed to demonstrate to Job and his friends the limitations of human understanding in grappling with such profound questions and delving into the mysteries of Divine will. The Lord directs His attention towards Job, who had presumed he could unravel these complexities, and He calls him to listen intently.

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God poses inquiries drawn from nature, aiming to illustrate that if one cannot comprehend the simplest phenomena of the physical realm, then it is far more impossible to comprehend the complexities of the moral realm (38: 1-3).

First, God questions Job about the beginnings and foundational state of the earth, as if to reveal the limitations of human knowledge and how much remains a mystery in the universe, starting with this singular inquiry (4-6). Meanwhile, the creation of the earth unfolded with the same ease with which a person constructs a simple building, and the act of creation was so magnificent and glorious that the heavenly hosts hailed God with great acclaim (7). The Creator’s power and wisdom are equally evident in the containment of the ocean’s depths (8-11) and in the distinction of light from darkness (12-15). However, these vast chasms, and the boundaries of light and darkness, are not beyond human observation (16-20). Common earthly events—such as snow, hail, rain, and frost—are beyond human control (21-30), and even less can a person influence the movement of stars or meteorological phenomena (31-38). Subsequently, as God speaks of the marvelous wonders of the world, which are subtly close to humanity, He notes that it is through His paternal care that both predatory animals and birds are provided sustenance (39-41).

Vissarion (Nechaev)

19th centuryCommentator

Through this inquiry, the Lord prompts Job to recognize his own limitations in comparison to the divine, highlighting the moment of Job's creation. While Job reflects upon a few decades of life, God’s existence stretches back into eternity. Job was placed upon the earth over a millennium after its formation. What presumption is it for someone whose existence is so brief to pass judgment on God, the everlasting Creator of all? Moreover, it is inappropriate for the young and untested to belittle those who possess greater age and wisdom. It is evident how misguided it is for humanity to make such assessments about God.

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