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John 17:24Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

Father, I will that where I am, they also whom thou hast given me may be with me: that they may see my glory which thou hast given me, because thou hast loved me before the creation of the world.

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πατερ ους δεδωκας μοι θελω ινα οπου ειμι εγω κακεινοι ωσιν μετ εμου ινα θεωρωσιν την δοξαν την εμην ην εδωκας δεδωκας μοι οτι ηγαπησας με προ καταβολης κοσμου

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John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

Christ finally speaks also of what will be theirs after departure from here, of the rewards and crowns prepared for them. "Father," He says, "those whom You have given Me, I desire that where I am, they also may be with Me." This is what they had always desired, saying, "Where are You going?" (Jn 14:5). But what are You saying? Do You ask to receive this, and do You not yet possess it Yourself? How then did You say to them, "You will sit on twelve thrones" (Mt 19:28)? How did You promise many other and still greater things? Do you see that He says all this condescendingly? Otherwise, how could He say, "You shall follow afterward" (Jn 13:36)? Clearly, He speaks this way to give greater assurance of love.

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"That they may behold My glory which You have given Me." This again is proof of His concord with the Father. It is, of course, higher than the former statements, because He said, "before the foundation of the world." Yet even in this there is a certain condescension, since He says, "You have given Me." If this is not so, I would very much like to ask the opponents: does one who gives give to someone who exists? Did the Father first beget the Son, and only afterward give Him glory, leaving Him at first without glory? How can this be allowed? Do you see that the word "gave" means the same as "begot"? Why did Christ not say, "that they may be partakers of the glory," but, "that they may behold the glory"? By this He hints that all blessedness consists precisely in the contemplation of the Son of God. From this, glory then comes. So also Paul says, "beholding with unveiled face the glory of the Lord" (2 Cor 3:18). Indeed, as those who look upon the rays of the sun and enjoy the clearest air receive pleasure through sight, so then, but in a far higher degree, contemplation will give us delight. At the same time Christ here shows that the object of contemplation will not be what is subject to ordinary sight, but a certain astonishing essence. See verse 25.

Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

After saying that they will be safe, that they will be holy, that many will believe through them, and that they will receive great glory, He now speaks also of the rewards and crowns laid before them after their departure from here. "I desire," He says, "that where I am, they also may be." So that, hearing this, you should not think that they will receive the same dignity as He has, He adds. "that they may behold My glory." He did not say, "that they may receive My glory," but "that they may behold." For the greatest delight for man is to behold the Son of God. In this lies the glory of all who are worthy, as Paul also says: "We, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord" (2 Cor 3:18).

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By this He shows that then they will not behold Him as they now see Him, not in a humbled form, but in the glory which He had before the foundation of the world. I had this glory, He says, because You loved Me. For "You loved Me" is placed in the middle. As above (Jn 17:5) He said, "Glorify Me with the glory which I had before the world existed," so here too He says that the glory of the Godhead was given Him before the foundation of the world. For truly the Father gave Him the Godhead, as Father to Son, by nature. Since He begot Him, then as the Cause of His being He is necessarily also called the Cause and Giver of glory.

Cyrill of Alexandria

5th centuryChurch Father

Having raised prayer for His disciples, or rather for all who come to Him through faith, He asked the Father that there be unity, love, and holiness. He immediately adds this also, showing that being with Him and being counted worthy to behold His "glory" belongs to no one else except those already united through Him to the Father and brought to the love which He Himself is shown to have from the Father.

For we are loved as sons, according to the likeness of Him who is truly and by nature the Son. Though not, of course, in equal measure, His glory presents the most exact image of the matter, as though corresponding to the truth itself.

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Therefore He says, "Father, I will that those who have come to You through faith, and through Your illumination have become Mine, may be with Me and may behold My glory." What word could express for us how great a good we must consider it to dwell with Christ Himself?

For we shall be in ineffable joy. Eye has not seen, ear has not heard, nor has the mind conceived "what God has prepared for those who love Him" (1 Cor 2:9). What lack of complete blessedness could there be for those who inherit dwelling together with Christ Himself, the Master of all?

Thus the wise and most holy Paul himself appears before us as one who counted this state worthy of every reverence, when he says that it is better "to depart and be with Christ" (Phil 1:23). He preferred this great and wondrous dignity to this earthly life.

Should he not therefore be a true witness that He who gives all things abundantly to all bestows on His true disciples this great gift of dwelling with Him? By this also what he said to us elsewhere will be confirmed.

Having Christ speaking within him and revealing "the powers of the age to come" (2 Cor 13:3; Heb 6:5), he again said: "The dead shall rise, and we who are alive and remain with Him shall be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thess 4:16-17).

Likewise our Lord Jesus Christ Himself clearly promises to grant us this very thing, saying: "I go and prepare a place for you. I will come again and take you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also" (Jn 14:3).

Or, if we interpret less subtly, we may understand more simply that the heavenly mansions are indicated by this. Or, turning to other thoughts, we may admit that one and the same place, as it were, is allotted to us and to Christ.

That is, a similar and equivalent honor is given, according to likeness and resemblance. For we shall be conformed to His glory (Phil 3:21), and shall reign with Him, according to the Holy Scriptures (2 Tim 2:12; Mt 19:28; Rev 3:21).

He also promises, in a manner known to Himself, to recline with us in the Kingdom of Heaven (Mt 26:29; cf. Mt 8:11 and Lk 13:29). That we shall be with Christ, share His glory, and become partakers of the Kingdom, we shall leave without further proof.

It is in no way doubtful, and we shall pass to another saying: "that they may behold My glory." Thus the vision of Christ's glory will not belong to the impure and sinful, nor to those who dishonor the divine law.

Rather, it belongs only to the righteous and good. This again we learn from the words of the Prophet: "Let the ungodly be taken away, that he may not see the glory of the Lord" (Is 26:10).

And in the Gospel preaching of Christ the Savior it is said: "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God" (Mt 5:8). Who are these who have a pure heart, if not those who are in union with God through the Son in the Spirit?

They have withdrawn from every indulgence of the flesh, have put worldly pleasure as far from themselves as possible, and have, as it were, renounced their own life. They have devoted themselves only to the will of the Spirit and live purely and wholly by Christ.

Such was Paul, who, from the surpassing purity present in him, was not afraid to say: "I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me" (Gal 2:19-20).

I hear also another of the saints singing thus: "Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. Cast me not away from Your presence, and take not Your Holy Spirit from me. Restore to me the joy of Your salvation, and establish me with Your governing Spirit" (Ps 50:12-14).

He calls the Spirit the joy of salvation, since He is the cause of unending and constant joy, and grants dominion over worldly passions. For He is the Spirit of true salvation, that is, of the Savior, Christ.

Giving Him different names, he also joined to Him the clean heart and called Him a right spirit. Those who do not have a straight heart, but rather a crooked and perverted one, as the Psalmist says (Ps 100:3), have not yet been united to God.

Nor have they become partakers of Christ's blessing through the Spirit. Speaking generally, then, the Savior wished to bestow upon His disciples excellent grace. Through dwelling with Him they would see His "glory."

But He says that He is loved even "before the foundation of the world." Here He clearly points to the most primordial power of His mystery and to the fact that the way of our salvation, accomplished through Christ, was foreknown by God the Father.

Yet this knowledge was not given to men at the beginning. The law was added, as a guide to a God-pleasing ordering of life. It presented to us an indistinct knowledge in figures, since God the Father preserved the Savior's grace until the proper time.

Knowledge of this is very useful to us for overthrowing Jewish pride and the impious arrogance of the Israelites. They resolved to defend the law forever, even when, with the appearance of the truth, the types should already have been counted as nothing.

It is also very useful for refuting those who think that the Father's counsel devised this mystery for us recently and anew. Therefore Paul, refuting the supposition of those who reason thus, said somewhere of Christ that He was foreknown "before the foundation of the world" (1 Pet 1:20; Eph 1:4; Heb 9:26).

But one must note that the disciples themselves, the divine glory, and authority over all things are said to have been given Him by the Father. This is not insofar as He is conceived as God by nature, the Lord of glory, and as having royal dignity by essence.

Rather, it is insofar as He appeared as man, for whom everything is God-given and not from His own nature. For every created thing has everything from God, and has absolutely nothing of its own, even if it appears to possess some good.

Augustine of Hippo

5th centuryChurch Father

One should not ask where the Son, equal to the Father, abides, since no one has yet found a place where He is not. If anyone wishes to seek, let him rather seek how he may be with Him. Not everywhere where He abides, but wherever He Himself may abide.

For when He said, "Today you will be with Me in Paradise" (Lk 23:43), according to His human nature His soul was to be in Hades that very day, and His flesh in the tomb. But according to His being God, He certainly abides in Paradise.

Thus the soul of the thief, released from former crimes and already blessed by His mercy, could not be everywhere Christ is. Yet that same day it could be with Him in Paradise, from which He, Who is everywhere, had never withdrawn.

Therefore it was not enough to say, "I desire that where I am, they also may be." He added, "with Me." To be with Him is the greatest good. The wretched can be where He is, because wherever they are, He also is there.

But only the blessed are with Him, because only through Him do they become blessed. Is it not truly said to God, "If I ascend into heaven, Thou art there; if I descend into Hades, Thou art there also" (Ps 138:8)?

And is not Christ the Wisdom of God, which, by reason of its purity, passes through and penetrates all things (Wis 7:24)? And "the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it" (Jn 1:5).

Let us turn to a visible example, though the likeness is only remote. Even if light shines where a blind man is, he does not perceive the light at all. It is truly absent for him.

So also, if an unbelieving or impious man, or even a believing and pious man, is not yet ready to behold the light of wisdom, he cannot be where Christ is not. Yet he still cannot be with Christ so as to see Him.

There is no doubt that the true believer abides with Christ by faith. For this reason He says, "He who is not with Me is against Me" (Mt 12:30).

But when He said to God the Father, "I desire that where I am, they also may be with Me," He meant only that vision by which we shall see Him as He is (1 Jn 3:2).

The Lord Jesus encouraged His faithful with a great hope, than which there can be none greater. Hear and rejoice, possessing hope. Since this life deserves not love but endurance, you may be patient in tribulations (cf. Rom 12:12).

Hear, I say, and attend to the object toward which our hope must hasten. Christ Jesus speaks. The Only-begotten Son of God speaks, coeternal and equal to the Father.

He speaks Who for our sake became man, yet did not become a liar like every man (cf. Ps 115:2). The Way, the Life, and the Truth speaks (cf. Jn 14:6). He Who has overcome the world speaks (cf. Jn 16:33).

He speaks concerning those for whose sake He conquered. Hear what He says, believe it, hope in it, thirst for it: "Father, those whom Thou hast given Me, I desire that where I am, they also may be with Me."

Who are those of whom He says that they have been given Him by the Father? Are they not those of whom He said elsewhere, "No one can come to Me unless the Father Who sent Me draws him" (Jn 6:44)?

If we have already advanced in understanding this Gospel, we know how He Himself, together with the Father, does what He says the Father does.

These, then, are those whom He received from the Father. They are those whom He Himself chose out of the world, that they might no longer be of the world, as He Himself is not of the world.

Yet they were to be the world that believes and knows that Christ was sent by God the Father. He came to deliver the world from the world, so that the world reconciled to God would not be condemned with the world that remained hostile to Him.

For He says at the beginning of that prayer, "Thou hast given Him authority over all flesh," that is, over every man, "that He should give eternal life to all whom Thou hast given Him" (Jn 17:2).

Here He reveals that He received authority over every man. Thus, as the future Judge of the living and the dead, He may deliver whom He wills and punish whom He wills.

At the same time, the Father gave Him all those to whom He will give eternal life. For He said, "that He should give eternal life to all whom Thou hast given Him."

Accordingly, those to whom He will not give eternal life were not given Him. Yet authority over them was given to Him, to Whom authority over all flesh, that is, over every man, was given.

Therefore the reconciled world will be delivered from the hostile world. He will exercise His authority over the hostile world, sending it to eternal death. He will make the reconciled world His own, granting it eternal life.

For this reason the Good Shepherd (Jn 10:11) promised this reward to all His sheep. The great Head promised it to all His members: that where He is, we also should be with Him.

What the almighty Son declared as His will to the almighty Father cannot fail to be fulfilled. For there is also the Holy Spirit, likewise eternal and likewise God, the one Spirit of the Two, and the substance of the will of Both.

Indeed, when the Passion was drawing near, we read the words, "Nevertheless, not as I will, but as Thou wilt, Father" (cf. Mt 26:39). These words sound as if the Father had, or would have, one will, and the Son another.

They are the echo of our weakness, though it is a believing weakness. Our Head reflected it in Himself when He bore our transgressions. But piety must believe that the will of the Father and the Son is one.

Their Spirit is also one, and in this unity we recognize the Trinity, even if weakness does not yet permit us to understand it.

Since we have already said, as the brevity of this discourse allowed, to whom He promised this, and how sure the promise is, let us now consider, as far as we can, what He judged worthy to promise.

He said, "Those whom Thou hast given Me, I desire that where I am, they also may be with Me." In relation to the creature in which He began to be of the seed of David according to the flesh (Rom 1:3), He was not yet where He intended to be.

But He could say, "where I am," so that we might understand that He would soon ascend into heaven. Thus He spoke as already being where He was shortly to be.

He could also speak as He had earlier spoken to Nicodemus: "No one has ascended into heaven except the Son of Man, Who descended from heaven, Who is in heaven" (Jn 3:13).

There also He did not say "was," but "is," because of the unity of the Person in Whom God is man and man is God.

Therefore He promised that we shall be in heaven. For there the form of a servant (Phil 2:6), which He received from the Virgin, was taken up and set at the right hand of the Father.

In hope of this good the Apostle said, "God, Who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead through trespasses, made us alive together with Christ, by Whose grace we are saved.

He raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph 2:4-6).

Thus the Lord's words may be understood in this sense: "that where I am, they also may be with Me." While He said of Himself that He was already there, He said of us that He desired us to be there with Him.

He did not affirm that we are already there. Yet what the Lord expressed as His desire that it should happen, the Apostle spoke of as though already accomplished.

He did not say, "He will raise us and seat us in the heavenly places," but, "He raised us and seated us in the heavenly places." He did not say this casually, but with assurance.

He declares as already done what he did not doubt would come to pass.

But with respect to the form of God (Phil 2:6), in which He is equal to the Father, if we wish to understand in this form the words, "I desire that where I am, they also may be with Me," let our mind reject every image of bodily form.

Whatever comes to mind as long, broad, thick, colored with any bodily color, spread through any space, or infinite, let the mind turn the sharpness of its gaze and attention away from all this, as far as possible.

Let no one ask where the Son, equal to the Father, is. No one will find any place where He is not present. But if anyone wishes to attain this, let him rather strive to be with Him.

He will not be everywhere as He is, but wherever he himself may be. For He said to a man enduring punishment and confessing unto salvation, "Today you will be with Me in Paradise" (Lk 23:43).

According to His being man, His soul was to be in Hades that same day, and His flesh in the tomb. According to His being God, He was certainly in Paradise.

Therefore the soul of the thief, freed from former crimes and already blessed by His gift, could not be everywhere as He is. Yet it could be with Him that same day in Paradise.

From there He, eternally present everywhere, did not depart. Therefore it was not enough for Him to say, "I desire that where I am, they also may be." He added, "with Me."

For to be with Him is a great good. Even the unworthy can be where He is, since He is everywhere, wherever and whenever they may be. But only the blessed are with Him.

They cannot be blessed except through Him. Was it not truly said to God, "If I ascend into heaven, Thou art there; if I descend into Hades, Thou art there also" (Ps 138:8)?

Or is not Christ the Wisdom of God, which by its purity penetrates everywhere (cf. Wis 7:24)? But "the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it" (Jn 1:5).

For this reason, let us take an example from visible things, though it is very far from the matter. A blind man, even if he is where light is, is nevertheless not with the light.

He is without it, though it is present. So too an unbelieving and impious man, or a believing and pious man who is still unable to receive the light of wisdom, cannot be where Christ is not.

Yet he will not be with Christ, at least in reality. There should be no doubt that a man who believes piously abides with Christ by faith. For this reason He said, "He who is not with Me is against Me" (Mt 12:30).

But when He said to God the Father, "Those whom Thou hast given Me, I desire that where I am, they also may be with Me," He was certainly speaking of that reality in which we shall see Him as He is (cf. 1 Jn 3:2).

Let no one draw a mist of contradiction over the clarity of understanding. Let the words that follow confirm the words that precede. For when He said, "I desire that where I am, they also may be with Me," He immediately added the reason.

He said, "that they may behold My glory, which Thou hast given Me, because Thou lovedst Me before the foundation of the world." He said, "that they may behold," not "that they may believe."

This is the reward of faith, not faith itself. For if faith is rightly defined in the Epistle to the Hebrews as "the assurance of things unseen" (Heb 11:1), why may not the reward of faith be defined likewise?

It is the contemplation of what was hoped for in faith. When we see the glory which the Father gave the Son, we may understand that this place speaks not of the glory given to the equal Son by begetting Him.

It speaks of the glory given Him after the death of the Cross, when He had become the Son of Man. Yet when we see this glory of the Son, then the judgment of the living and the dead will certainly occur.

Then the impious man will be removed, so that he may not behold the glory of the Lord (cf. Is 26:10). What is that glory, if not the glory in which He is God?

For "blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God" (Mt 5:8). But the impious are impure in heart, and therefore they shall not see Him.

Then they will go away into eternal punishment, for then the impious man will be removed, so that he may not see the glory of the Lord. But the righteous will go into eternal life (cf. Mt 25:46).

And what is eternal life? "That they may know Thee," He said, "the only true God, and Jesus Christ Whom Thou hast sent" (cf. Jn 17:3).

Certainly this is not as those knew Him who, though impure in heart, will still be able to see Him pronouncing judgment in the form of a servant (Phil 2:6), filled with glory.

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Euthymios Zigabenos

11th centuryChurch Father

"Father, those whom You have given Me, I desire that where I am, they also may be with Me," that is, in Your Kingdom, reigning together with Me. "That they may behold My glory which You have given Me," the glory of the Godhead, which You gave Me not as to one lesser or born later, but as Cause, that is, as the One who begot Me. But when did God the Father give this glory to the Son? Clearly, when He begot Him. And when did He beget Him? The question proposed rises beyond the limits of time. This is incomprehensible. Together with His own being the Father begot the Son, and there was no time when God the Father was not Father. Since the expression "You have given" could cause some to stumble and seem demeaning to the Son, Jesus Christ forestalls this by the following words.

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"For You loved Me before the foundation of the world," that is, before the ages, as Holy Scripture usually expresses eternity. And Jesus Christ did not say, "that they may participate in My glory," but, "that they may behold My glory." The former is impossible for them. Their whole blessedness will consist in this, that, according to the Apostle Paul, they will behold "with unveiled face the glory of the Lord" (2 Cor 3:18). Indeed, the greatest glory is to behold His glory.

Irenaeus of Lyon

2nd centuryChurch Father

Service to God supplies nothing to God, and God does not need human obedience. Rather, to those who follow and serve Him, He grants life, incorruption, and eternal glory. He benefits those who serve Him because they serve, and those who follow because they follow. He does not receive benefit from them, for He is rich, perfect, and in need of nothing. Therefore God requires service from men so that, being good and merciful, He may benefit those who remain in His service. For as much as God needs nothing, so much does man need communion with God. For the glory of man consists in abiding and remaining in the service of God.

Cyprian of Carthage

3rd centuryChurch Father

When we die, by death we pass to immortality. Eternal life cannot come unless one departs from this life. This is not an end, but a passage. This journey in time that we make is a passage into eternity. Who would not hasten to what is better? Who would not want to be changed and renewed as soon as possible into the likeness of Christ, and to attain the blessedness of heavenly glory? The Apostle Paul proclaims: "Our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also await the Savior, our Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body so that it may be conformed to His glorious body" (Phil 3:20-21).

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The Lord Christ also promises that we shall be such when He prays for us to the Father, that we may be with Him, live in eternal mansions, and rejoice in the heavenly kingdoms: "Father, those whom You have given Me, I desire that where I am. They also may be with Me, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me, because You loved Me before the foundation of the world." One who is going to the seat of Christ, to the glory of the heavenly kingdoms, should not murmur or complain. On the contrary, holding to the promise of the Lord and His true faith, he should rejoice in his departure and transfer.

Gregorios Palamas

14th centuryChurch Father

Since most of the saints whom we have venerated from of old were granted to know the light of grace by experience and to teach concerning it, we have already cited their sayings in defense of the Gospel commandments.

Their sayings show that Scripture teaches in this way. They also make clear that other judgments, which we have not cited, have the same meaning.

In like manner here too we shall set forth those patristic words which, as those who speak them affirm, were written in agreement with the mind of all the other Fathers.

Isaac, the faithful and reliable interpreter of divine things, says that "two eyes of the soul have been given to us, according to the testimony of the Fathers." Do you hear? All the Fathers say this.

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They say that "we have two eyes of the soul, and the benefit of vision through them is not the same. With one sight we see what is hidden in natural things, that is, God's power, His wisdom, and His providence for us, perceived through the greatness of His guidance of us. With the other sight we see the glory of His holy nature, when God is well pleased to bring us into the spiritual mysteries."

Since both are sight, what is seen by them is light. Since the benefit of the two kinds of sight is not the same, a certain duality appears in the vision of light.

By each sight a different light is seen, which is not seen by the other sight.

The divine Isaac explained to us what each of them is. He called one the apprehension of God's power, wisdom, and providence, and in general the knowledge of the Creator drawn from created things.

The other he called the vision, not of God's nature, lest slanderers again find a pretext for attack, but of "the glory of His nature."

This is the vision which the Lord gave to His disciples, and through them to all who have believed in Him and have shown their faith in deed. This is what He willed them to have.

"I desire," He says to the Father, "that these may behold My glory, which Thou hast given Me, having loved Me from the foundation of the world" (Jn 17:24).

And again: "Glorify Me, O Father, with Thyself, with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was" (Jn 17:5).

Thus He gave the glory of divinity also to human nature, but He did not give the divine nature itself. Therefore the divine nature is one thing, and its glory another, though they are not separated from one another.

At the same time, although the glory is distinct from God's nature, it cannot be numbered among things that exist in time. It surpasses existence and belongs ineffably to the nature of God.

God granted this glory, which surpasses all that exists, not only to the composite hypostatically united to Him, but also to the disciples.

"The glory which Thou hast given Me, O Father," says the Lord, "I have given them, that as We are one, so they may be one, I in them and Thou in Me, that they may be perfected in one" (Jn 17:22-23).

He also willed that the disciples should behold it. This glory is that by which we acquire God within ourselves and see Him in the proper sense of the word.

But how do we acquire and behold this glory of the divine essence? Is it by examining the laws of beings and through them grasping knowledge of divine wonderworking, wisdom, and providence?

No. All such things belong to the other sight of the soul. By it one cannot see the divine light, "the glory of His nature," according to what was said above by Saint Isaac and all the other Fathers.

Therefore the divine light is not the same as the light that shares its name with knowledge.

For this reason, God does not dwell in everyone who possesses knowledge of beings, or who sees by means of such knowledge. Such a person has only knowledge of creatures, from which he conjectures about God by probable reasoning.

By contrast, the mystical possessor of the divine light sees no longer from probability. He sees in true contemplation, which raises him above every creature.

He knows and possesses God within himself, because God is not separated from His eternal glory.

One need only not be troubled, nor lose hope because of the greatness of this benefaction. Rather, believing Him who became a partaker of our nature and imparted to it the glory of His own nature, one must seek how the gift of this vision is acquired.

And how is it acquired? By keeping the commandments. To the one who keeps them, the Lord promised His divine manifestation.

Afterward He also called this manifestation His own and the Father's dwelling, saying: "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our dwelling with him."

And again: "I will manifest Myself to him" (Jn 14:21, 23).

It is clear that by "word" here He means His commandments. Above, instead of the "word" mentioned here, He said "commandments."

"He who has My commandments and keeps them," He says, "it is he who loves Me" (Jn 14:21).

From this too it is clear, and precisely in direct relation to the philosopher's arguments and teachings, that the gracious vision of God is in no way knowledge of beings, however displeasing this may be to him.

Only one must remember that we do not call such vision knowledge because it surpasses knowledge. Likewise, we do not call God a being, for we believe that He is above being.

How then does it follow, against the philosopher's will, from his own arguments that the divine light is not the same as knowledge?

He says that the darkness of ignorance cannot be driven from the soul by keeping the commandments. He says that only learning and persistent study can do this.

What does not drive out ignorance can in no way give knowledge. Yet precisely what, according to him, does not give knowledge leads, according to the Lord's word, to the vision of God.

Therefore this vision of God is not knowledge.

It should be reckoned and called not merely non-knowledge or unknowable, except by loose usage and equivocation, or perhaps properly, but as something unique.

I say that this vision should be reckoned not only as scarcely knowledge, but as incomparably surpassing every knowledge and every knowing contemplation.

This is true if nothing is higher than God's indwelling and manifestation in us, and if nothing is equal or even close to it.

We know that the fulfillment of God's commandments also supplies knowledge, and true knowledge. For only in this way does health come.

How can the rational soul possess rationality if its faculty of knowledge is diseased?

Thus we know that God's commandments supply knowledge, but not knowledge alone. They also supply deification.

We receive this deification when we fully acquire and behold within ourselves, by the Spirit, the glory of God, whenever God is well pleased to bring us into His spiritual mysteries, according to the saint named above.

Since the saint mentioned Fathers who say the same thing, we too shall pass over all who lived after him. Let us see what the saints before him said about the glory of God.

Only the initiated behold this glory mysteriously and ineffably. First among them are the eyewitnesses and Apostles of the one God and Father of our Jesus Christ.

Through Him "every fatherhood" is named in the fullness of the Holy Church (Eph 3:15). Before the Apostles stands again their chief, Peter.

He says: "We did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty" (2 Pet 1:16).

What glory of the Lord Jesus Christ did he witness? Let another Apostle show us: "When they were awake," he says, "Peter and those with him saw the glory of Christ" (Lk 9:32).

What was this glory? Let another Evangelist come forward and bear witness: "His face shone like the sun, and His garments became white as light" (Mt 17:2).

The Lord showed them that He is God, "clothing Himself with light as with a garment," according to the psalmist (Ps 103:2).

For this reason, after saying that he saw the glory of Christ "on the holy mountain," he speaks of the light that, wondrous to say, illumined even hearing.

For they saw there a luminous cloud sounding with words. After the vision of this glory of Christ, he says, "We have the prophetic word made more sure."

What prophetic word made more sure did you receive after the contemplation of the light, O seers of God? What could it be, except that God "clothes Himself with light as with a garment"?

"And you do well," says the Apostle, "to hold fast to this prophetic word, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns."

What day? Surely the day that shone on Tabor.

"And the morning star rises." What morning star? Surely the one that shone there upon Peter, James, and John.

"Until this morning star rises." Where? "In our hearts" (2 Pet 1:18-19).

Is it not clear that this light now shines in the hearts of the faithful and perfect?

Is it not clear that it immeasurably surpasses the light of knowledge?

It surpasses not only the knowledge acquired from Hellenic learning. Such knowledge is unworthy even to be called knowledge, since it is entirely false or mingled with falsehood.

It is closer to darkness than to light. I say that the light of this vision differs not only from this knowledge, but also from knowledge of the divine Scriptures.

The difference is so great that the light of knowledge may be compared to a lamp shining in a dark place. The light of mystical vision is like the morning star shining by day, that is, like the sun.

The glory of God is as transcendent above all that exists as God Himself. Dionysius the Areopagite calls God "non-existing" because He surpasses every kind of existence (Mystical Theology 5: PG 3, 1048A).

In the apocryphal Acts of the Apostles, expressions concerning the second Person of the Trinity include "Merciful Father, Savior Christ" and "I am the Father of all these ages."

Melito of Sardis also calls Christ Father in his Homily on the Passion of Christ, 9.

Theodoret of Cyrus speaks of the saving title of Jesus Christ, saying that He is "Father of the age to come, because as Adam is called father of the present age, so He is Father of the age to come" (Commentary on Isaiah 9:6).

The name Father for Christ also occurs in certain works ascribed to Saint Macarius of Egypt, and in ascetical and mystical writings of later centuries. Yet it is not found in the great teachers of the Church.

Its basis in Holy Scripture is Isa 9:6: "For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; the government is upon His shoulders, and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Father of eternity."

Gladkow B.I.

19th centuryChurch Father

As Jesus finished His ministry to the human race, He was leaving only eleven Apostles and a few disciples. This little flock of Christ had to go into the kingdom of darkness and bring into it the light of divine truth. It is clear with what malice they would be met in that kingdom. Persecutions would begin against them and their followers. Even the word "Christian" would become hateful to the sons of darkness. What unshakable faith and what courage they needed to withstand the assault of the frenzied enemies of God's righteousness. Yet precisely this firmness of faith and this courage were lacking in them then. They would soon abandon their Teacher. Peter, who until then had seemed the strongest believer in Him, this rock of apostolic faith, would deny Him three times.

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Foreseeing all this, Jesus knew that victory would not come easily to His disciples. Without special support from above, they could not even emerge victorious from the struggle before them. Therefore, after giving them all His final farewell instructions, He turns in supplication to His Father. He asks Him to preserve their faith from every temptation and wavering. He asks Him to sanctify them by His truth. He asks Him to make them worthy, after completing their earthly contest, to be where He, Christ, will be. He prays that not only they, but all who believe through their word, may be united by self-sacrificing love for one another. He prays that they may abide in constant union with Him, Jesus Christ, and with the Father who sent Him.

Michail (Lusin)

19th centuryChurch Father

"Father, I desire," and so forth. "I desire": this is the testament of one dying, whose will must be fulfilled. Expressing this will, the Lord who is dying for the life of the world thereby expresses confidence that the Heavenly Father will fulfill this will of His, which is inseparable from His own will. "Those whom You have given Me": in the connection of the discourse, this means all believers through the Apostles' word and the Apostles themselves, that is, the whole Church of Christ in her true living members; see Jn 17:20, 2, 5. "That where I am, they also may be with Me": that is, in heaven, or in the house of the Heavenly Father, where there are many mansions (Jn 14:2-4; Lk 24:51 and parallels), and where the Lord abides as the God-man with His glorified body.

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"That they may behold My glory": the heavenly glory (Jn 17:22, 5). "Behold" is used in the sense of contemplation, theorosi, which indicates the participation of the one contemplating in the object contemplated. Thus the same thought is expressed concerning the union of believers in Christ's glory. The foundation of this glory of Christ is the Heavenly Father's love for Him, an eternal love (Jn 17:5, 23). In the same way, the foundation of the believers' co-glorification with Him is the same love for them as for His beloved Son (Jn 17:23). Love, and glory because of it, is the innermost foundation of Christ's Church on earth and in heaven.

Philaret (Gumilevski)

19th centuryChurch Father

Lofty is the dignity with which the prayer of heavenly Love clothes believers even on earth. But heavenly Love does not stop there. It also asks for them a higher glory, eternal glory. "Father, those whom You have given Me, I desire that where I am, they also may be with Me, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world" (v. 24). With what power this prayer is uttered. "Father, I desire." This is more than prayer. It is the declaration of the will of One ready to die for the world, a will whose revocation is not expected. It cannot be otherwise. Heavenly Love, sacrificing itself in fulfillment of the Heavenly Father's will, fully knows that the Heavenly Father will fulfill Her testament.

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Ready to ascend the cross for men, according to the Father's will, She declares Her own will. This will, as a will wholly holy, will be fulfilled in every exactness. "I desire that where I am, they also may be with Me, that they may behold My glory." The Lord Jesus desires that those who sincerely believe should be where He, the Son of God, is: in heaven. He desires that they behold His glory. "Where I am, there My servant will be also; and if anyone serves Me, My Father will honor him." So He had spoken earlier in the hearing of all (Jn 12:26). Here He shows the greatness of the glory promised to sincere servants in that they will behold the glory with which the Son of God is clothed before the foundation of the world. Therefore they will behold the glory belonging to the Godhead, eternal and without limit. For the expression "before the foundation of the world" means the same as before the creation of the world, from eternity (1 Pet 1:20; Eph 1:4; Rev 13:8). What happiness can be higher than being together with the Son of God? What glory can be higher than the glory of beholding the glory of the Godhead? Can this exalted blessedness be described? Can it be represented to the mind? Even the beloved disciple of Christ, to whom so many mysteries of God were revealed, wrote: "Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not yet appeared what we shall be. But we know that when He appears, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is" (1 Jn 3:2). The Apostle Paul taught: "He will come to be glorified in His saints and to be marveled at in all who have believed" (2 Thess 1:10).

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Greek text, 28 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. Πάτερ
    pater
    father
    G3962 · πατήρ
  2. ὃ
    ho
    who
    G3739 · ὅς, ἥ
  3. δέδωκάς
    dedōkas
    I offer
    G1325 · δίδωμι
  4. μοι
    moi
    I
    G1473 · ἐγώ
  5. θέλω
    thelō
    I will
    G2309 · θέλω
  6. ἵνα
    hina
    in order that
    G2443 · ἵνα
  7. ὅπου
    hopou
    where
    G3699 · ὅπου
  8. εἰμὶ
    eimi
    I am
    G1510 · εἰμί
  9. ἐγὼ
    egō
    I
    G1473 · ἐγώ
  10. κἀκεῖνοι
    kakeinoi
    and he
    G2548 · κἀκεῖνος
  11. ὦσιν
    ōsin
    I am
    G1510 · εἰμί
  12. μετ᾽
    met
    with
    G3326 · μετά
  13. ἐμοῦ
    emou
    I
    G1473 · ἐγώ
  14. ἵνα
    hina
    in order that
    G2443 · ἵνα
  15. θεωρῶσιν
    theōrōsin
    I behold
    G2334 · θεωρέω
  16. τὴν
    tēn
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  17. δόξαν
    doxan
    honor
    G1391 · δόξα
  18. τὴν
    tēn
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  19. ἐμὴν
    emēn
    mine
    G1699 · ἐμός
  20. ἣν
    hēn
    who
    G3739 · ὅς, ἥ
  21. δέδωκάς
    dedōkas
    I offer
    G1325 · δίδωμι
  22. μοι
    moi
    I
    G1473 · ἐγώ
  23. ὅτι
    hoti
    that
    G3754 · ὅτι
  24. ἠγάπησάς
    ēgapēsas
    I love
    G25 · ἀγαπάω
  25. με
    me
    I
    G1473 · ἐγώ
  26. πρὸ
    pro
    before
    G4253 · πρό
  27. καταβολῆς
    katabolēs
    a foundation
    G2602 · καταβολή
  28. κόσμου
    kosmou
    the world
    G2889 · κόσμος