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Romans 3:8Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

And not rather (as we are slandered and as some affirm that we say) let us do evil that there may come good? Whose damnation is just.

Douay-Rheims

και μη καθως βλασφημουμεθα και καθως φασιν τινες ημας λεγειν οτι ποιησωμεν τα κακα ινα ελθη τα αγαθα ων το κριμα ενδικον εστιν

Greek (Byzantine text)

The Church Fathers on this verse

11 Church Fathers comment on this verse

John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

Since Paul taught, “Where sin abounded, grace abounded much more” (Rom 5:20), the Gentiles mocked him and gave his words a perverse meaning. They said that one ought to give oneself over to vices in order to enjoy good things. But Paul certainly did not teach this. Therefore, correcting it, he says: “What then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Let it not be” (Rom 6:1). I spoke, says the Apostle, about past times, not so that we might make this our rule. Turning those in error away from such an understanding of his words, the Apostle said that this is, after all, impossible. How, he says, shall we who died to sin still live in sin (Rom 6:2)?

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Thus the Apostle easily exposed the Greeks, because their life was very corrupt. The life of the Jews, though it appeared to be in complete neglect, nevertheless gave them greater grounds for their defense: the law, circumcision, the fact that God spoke with them, and that they were teachers of all men. Therefore the Apostle deprived them of such a defense and even proved that precisely because of it they are subject to punishment. With this he concludes his discourse here. If those who do these things are not punished, he says, then one must admit the blasphemous proposition: “Let us do evil that good may come.” But if this too is impious. And if those who speak this way are subject to punishment, as Paul declared by saying, “their judgment is just,” then it is entirely clear that sinners are punished. Moreover, if those who speak this way deserve punishment, then much more do those who do such things. If they deserve punishment, they deserve it as having sinned. For it is not a man who punishes, so that someone might suspect his sentence, but God, Who does all things justly.

If they are punished justly, then those who mocked us spoke unjustly in what they said. God has done and does everything so that our life may shine in all things and be perfected everywhere. Therefore let us not give ourselves over to negligence. Then we shall also be able to turn the Gentiles away from error. If we philosophize in words, but behave shamefully in deeds, with what eyes shall we look at them? With what mouth shall we speak about doctrines? Then the Gentile will say to each of us: “You have not fulfilled the lesser thing. How can you be worthy to teach others the greater? You yourself have not yet learned that love of gain is evil. How can you philosophize about heavenly things? You know that this is evil. Your guilt is greater because you sin even while knowing.”

But why should I speak of the Gentile? When our life is corrupt, our own laws do not even permit us to use such freedom. It is said: “But to the sinner God said, ‘Why do you declare My statutes?’” (Ps 50:16). When the Jews were led into captivity and the Persians insistently asked them to sing their sacred songs, they answered: “How shall we sing the Lord’s song in a strange land?” (Ps 137:4). If it was not permitted to sing the word of God in a barbarian land, much less is it permitted in a barbarian soul, for a cruel soul is barbarian. If the law commands silence to those who were in captivity and became slaves of men in a foreign land, it is far more just to close the mouths of slaves of sin and of those living an alien life.

Although the Jews then had instruments, as it is said, “On the willows in its midst we hung up our instruments” (Ps 137:2), nevertheless they could not sing. So also for us, although we have mouth and tongue, these instruments of speech, it is not permitted to use freedom of speech while we serve sin, the cruelest of all barbarians. Tell me, what will you say to the Gentile, once you yourself plunder and practice greed? You will say, “Depart from idolatry, know God, do not strive after silver and gold.” But will he not laugh and answer: first teach this to yourself? It is not the same thing to practice idolatry as a Gentile and to commit the same sin as a Christian.

How shall we be able to turn others away from idolatry when we ourselves have not withdrawn from it? We are nearer to ourselves than to our neighbor. When we cannot persuade ourselves, how shall we persuade others? He who does not govern his own house well will not care for the Church either. How can he correct others who does not know how to govern his own soul? Do not tell me that you do not worship a golden idol. Show me that you do not do what gold commands. There are various forms of idolatry. One man regards mammon as his master. Another recognizes the belly as god. A third recognizes the coarsest passion as god.

But you say that you do not sacrifice oxen to them as the Gentiles do. True. Yet instead, and this is much worse, you slaughter your own soul to them as a sacrifice. You do not bend the knee before them and worship them. Yet with very great submission you do everything commanded you by the belly, by gold, and by the ruling passion. The Greeks are abominable precisely because they deified the passions, naming desire Aphrodite, rage Ares, and drunkenness Dionysus. If you do not make carved images of idols as the Gentiles do, still you submit to the same passions with greater zeal. You make the members of Christ members of a harlot, and defile yourself with other iniquities.

Therefore I beseech you to flee idolatry, for Paul calls covetousness idolatry, and to understand the whole gravity of this vice. Flee covetousness not only in money, but in every vicious inclination: in clothing, in the table, and in everything else. For because of disobedience to the Lord’s laws, we shall undergo a far harsher punishment, as it is said: “The servant who knew his master’s will and did not do it will be beaten with many stripes” (Lk 12:47). Therefore, so that we may escape this punishment and become useful to others and to ourselves, let us strive for virtue and remove every vice from the soul. In this way we shall attain the future good things. May we all be granted to receive them by the grace and love for mankind of our Lord Jesus Christ, with Whom to the Father and the Holy Spirit belong glory, honor, and dominion, now and ever, and unto the ages of ages. Amen.

Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

Again he repeats what was said before, in order to clarify it. If through my transgression God has appeared righteous and faithful, why then should I finally be condemned, when I have benefited the glory of God?

In that case I deserve not condemnation, but reward. If this is just, then what the Gentiles say about us will also be just.

When the Gentiles heard Paul's words, “Where sin abounded, grace abounded much more” (Rom 5:20), they mocked them and claimed that Christians say: let us do evil that good may come. Let us sin more, that grace may abound.

These words of the Gentiles, spoken in abuse and mockery against us, would apply also in the present case, if one admitted that God manifests His goodness thanks to our wickedness and ingratitude.

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But in truth this is not so. The speech of the Gentiles is the speech of those who always speak falsehood. “Their judgment is righteous,” that is, they will be punished justly.

Therefore, by sinning I do not become the cause of God's justification, because I am condemned as a sinner. For if I sinned to the glory of God, I would not be condemned.

Ephraem the Syrian

4th centuryChurch Father

But come, and let us examine this as men: if this is so, how then does God judge the world? There must be laws, he says, even if they were given for the condemnation of those who received them.

But God did not give the laws for such a purpose. The house of Moses believed, as did others who were justified through these laws.

This is like what he says: “And not as we are slandered,” with people saying, “Let us do evil that good may come.” For they were accustomed to say: “Where sin increased, grace abounded all the more” (Rom 3:20).

They began to say the opposite: “Let us multiply sins, and His manifold grace toward us will abound.” Therefore those who say this are justly punished, for they mock grace.

Ambrosiaster

4th centuryChurch Father

Our opponents assumed that the meaning of the preached remission of sins was supposedly this: that people should do evil and receive good. That is, they should sin, while God, forgiving their sins, would appear good. Concerning this it was said above that it is blasphemy and departs from divine teaching. Faith, however, does not teach that one should sin, especially if it proclaims the coming judgment of God. Rather, it teaches that sinners, restored to salvation and living according to the law of God, should no longer sin.

Theodoret of Cyrus

5th centuryChurch Father

We assert nothing of this kind, says the Apostle, with which others falsely accuse us. They will bear punishment for this slander.

Yet one must know that, since the holy Apostles said, “Where sin abounded, grace abounded much more” (Rom 5:20), some people, opposing piety and resorting to falsehood against them, claimed that they said: “Let us do evil, that good may come.”

But this was not the aim of apostolic teaching. The Apostles legislated the complete opposite of this, so as to restrain all from every lawlessness (cf. Col 3:18-4:1; Eph 5:21-6:9; 1 Pet 2:11-3:12; 1 Tim 2:8-15; 1 Tim 5:1-2; 1 Tim 6:1-2; Tit 2:1-10; Tit 3:1-11).

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They commanded those who approached the all-holy preaching not to lose heart, because forgiveness of former sins is given by God. We, stopping our interpretation here and giving rest to the mind, glorify Him who gave man a mouth.

He made both the deaf and the mute. Let us pray that we may learn the meaning of the apostolic teaching. For He who said this will surely grant it: “Ask, and it will be given you. Seek, and you will find. Knock, and it will be opened to you” (Mt 7:7).

To Him, with the Father and the all-holy Spirit, belong majesty and glory, now and always and unto the ages of ages. Amen.

Clement of Alexandria

2nd centuryChurch Father

These people are those who, reading with a strained voice, distort the Scriptures for their own pleasure. They artificially rearrange certain accents and punctuation marks in words proclaimed prudently and for benefit, so that they may spend their own life in pleasures.

Constantius

5th centuryChurch Father

Paul’s speech is directed against the Carpocratians, the worst heretics, and against Gentiles of this kind. They say that if they do not sin, the righteousness of God will not abound, and that if they do not lie, God will not be shown faithful. To this the apostolic word replies that, if everything is as they suppose, they should not be judged as sinners. Yet the fact that sinners are subject to punishment proves that they think wrongly. The Carpocratians were followers of Carpocrates, a gnostic teacher of the second century.

Ivanov A.V.

19th centuryChurch Father

The Apostle does not finally consider it necessary even to refute the third objection. Some asked: if human unrighteousness only exalts the righteousness of God, then why does God punish men for unrighteousness?

With respect to the Jews, the question was why God rejected them, if through their unbelief the goodness and righteousness of God were revealed with special clarity.

Having in view the later exposition of Israel's destiny in Rom 11, the Apostle compares this sophism to someone proving that one must sin in order to give God greater opportunity to do good.

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He calls down the righteous judgment of God upon those who assert such a thing and attribute such teaching to the Apostle. The accusation against the Apostle could have arisen from a false explanation of his words: “Where sin abounded, grace abounded much more” (Rom 5:20).

The Apostle had probably used these words more than once in his oral teaching.

Michail Cheraskov

19th centuryChurch Father

But then a new objection arises concerning justification, which the Apostle formulates thus: “But if our unrighteousness reveals the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unjust when He shows wrath?”

This is the wrath from heaven mentioned above (Rom 1:18), revealed against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men. Lest this objection, by its sharpness from the Apostle's lips, scandalize the Roman Christians, he finds it necessary to add a qualification.

He says: “I speak according to human, that is, sinful, reasoning.” The Apostle explains the groundlessness of the objection from the contrary. If one allowed it any fairness, one would have to reject altogether the property of God as Judge of the universe.

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For every sinner, whether Jew or Gentile, would reason thus: “If the faithfulness of God is exalted by my unfaithfulness to the glory of God, why am I still judged as a sinner?” (Rom 3:7).

One might even go further: “And why not do evil that good may come, as some slander us and say that we teach? Their judgment is righteous!” (Rom 3:8-9). The Apostle cries out indignantly against all such reasonings.

Nikanor (Kamenski)

19th centuryChurch Father

Adapting himself to educated people accustomed to the clever syllogisms and intricate conclusions of Roman scholars, the Apostle Paul points out another treacherous inference possible from unbelievers.

It concerns his thought about God's faithfulness to His words and to the promise of the Savior, despite the unbelief of the Hebrews. Namely, they infer that in this unbelief the special greatness of God is manifested.

Therefore, they say, those whose unbelief gave occasion for the manifestation of divine faithfulness should not be subject to God's wrath and punishment.

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The Apostle refutes the absurd thought of the unbelievers by bringing it to its most evident absurdity. “In that case,” he says, “we would have to do evil that good may come. Some think that we teach this, and for such obvious slander they will incur divine punishment.”

This slander was brought against the Apostle. It was also brought against all Christians in general because of their teaching on God's superabounding grace toward sinners.

For this reason the Novatian schismatics later appeared, falsely teaching that those who had betrayed Christ should not be received into the Church at all. Later came the Pelagians and other false teachers.

They understood the participation of faith and grace in justification and salvation in different ways, and came to various wrong conclusions about the whole of life. Some began to attach too much importance to works, namely Catholics, while others almost rejected their value, namely Protestants.

Meanwhile, although the Apostle Paul spoke of the justifying power of faith and grace, and even expressed it thus, “where sin abounded, grace abounded much more” (5:20), this had to be understood historically.

It means that the greatest grace of God appeared only when human sins had reached the greatest depth and multitude. In that time, or while in that state, men could receive salvation in no other way than through faith by grace.

For no one had so many good works that he could be justified by them before God. Having received justification in Christ, believers must necessarily live in holiness and in a manner pleasing to God.

Otherwise they will lose all the fruits of justification (6:1-3). Only open enemies of Christian preaching and evil slanderers could say that the Christian teaching on justification by grace contains encouragement to evil deeds.

Such slanderers could be unbelieving Hebrews, and also the supposed guardians of the integrity of Greco-Roman pagan life. Having refuted them victoriously, the Apostle shows that it is the unbelievers themselves who remain in evil, beginning with the Hebrews.

Theophan the Recluse

19th centuryChurch Father

Therefore one can in no way reason in this manner. God, in punishing the Jew for unbelief and for turning the truth into a lie, is not unrighteous. Let God manifest His greater righteousness against our unrighteousness. Let Him make His truth shine with the brightest light amid the darkness of our falsehood, to His glory. Let Him draw a greater good out of our evil. All this serves only to glorify God, not to justify us. Despite such an ordering of affairs by God’s providence, righteousness remains righteousness, and unrighteousness remains unrighteousness. Truth remains truth, falsehood remains falsehood, good remains good, and evil remains evil.

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If it were otherwise, and if God’s drawing good from our evil served to justify us, then it would not only destroy the punishable malice of evil, but make it worthy of reward. Then it would follow: do more evil, so that more good may come. This is an outrageous absurdity, which arouses revulsion as soon as it is uttered. This is my teaching; this is what I inculcate and insist upon. I teach this, and not as some say about me, claiming that I say: “Let us do evil that good may come.” This is obvious blasphemy against me and slander. My enemies have invented it in order to spread prejudice against me, and to close men’s hearing to the truth of God that I preach before they hear anything from me.

If in this truth of God lies the salvation of men, and if preaching it to all everywhere is the unchanging will of God, then those who spread such false rumors about me resist God’s good purposes. They cut off the paths of good for the salvation of men. That is, they are fighters against God and haters of mankind. Upon such men the judgment of God is truly righteous.

This slander was raised against Saint Paul by his enemies, who, we must suppose, were from among the Jews. Saint Paul taught that no prior merit is required for admission into the Kingdom of Christ. However righteous someone may be, it is not his righteousness that brings him into this Kingdom, but faith. Conversely, however sinful someone may be, it is not sin that closes the entrance into this Kingdom to him, but his failure to believe. All this is the work of God’s grace. Thus it happens that “where sin abounded, grace abounded much more” (cf. Rom 5:20).

Yet in teaching this, the Apostle had in view only entrance into the Kingdom of grace. From those who had entered it, he required the most perfect holiness. He even called them nothing other than saints, showing that being in the Kingdom of Christ and being sinful are incompatible and unthinkable. “What then? Shall we continue in sin,” after receiving grace, or entering the Kingdom of Christ by faith? “Let it not be” (cf. Rom 6:1). So the Apostle taught, and so it was carried out in deed. All were received into the Kingdom of Christ without distinction. But from those who had entered it, perfect holiness was required. Whoever did not show it and fell into sins was cast out.

But the enemies of Saint Paul confused these two points, which are entirely distinct. They charged him with blasphemy, as though he taught in general: “Let us do evil that good may come.” He recalled this now. From your subtle speech follows more directly the very proposition that you force upon me. But if by your own judgment it is absurd, then abandon also that speculation, that God is unrighteous if He brings wrath upon those who by their unrighteousness reveal His righteousness in glory.

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Greek text, 23 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  2. μὴ
    mē
    not
    G3361 · μή
  3. καθὼς
    kathōs
    just as
    G2531 · καθώς
  4. βλασφημούμεθα
    blasphēmoumetha
    I speak evil against
    G987 · βλασφημέω
  5. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  6. καθώς
    kathōs
    just as
    G2531 · καθώς
  7. φασίν
    phasin
    I say
    G5346 · φημί
  8. τινες
    tines
    any one
    G5100 · τις
  9. ἡμᾶς
    hēmas
    I
    G1473 · ἐγώ
  10. λέγειν
    legein
    I say
    G3004 · λέγω
  11. ὅτι
    hoti
    that
    G3754 · ὅτι
  12. Ποιήσωμεν
    poiēsōmen
    I do
    G4160 · ποιέω
  13. τὰ
    ta
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  14. κακὰ
    kaka
    bad
    G2556 · κακός
  15. ἵνα
    hina
    in order that
    G2443 · ἵνα
  16. ἔλθῃ
    elthē
    I come
    G2064 · ἔρχομαι
  17. τὰ
    ta
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  18. ἀγαθά
    agatha
    good
    G18 · ἀγαθός
  19. ὧν
    hōn
    who
    G3739 · ὅς, ἥ
  20. τὸ
    to
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  21. κρίμα
    krima
    a judgment
    G2917 · κρίμα
  22. ἔνδικόν
    endikon
    righteous
    G1738 · ἔνδικος
  23. ἐστιν
    estin
    I am
    G1510 · εἰμί