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Acts 17:18Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

And certain philosophers of the Epicureans and of the Stoics disputed with him. And some said: What is it that this word sower would say? But others: He seemeth to be a setter forth of new gods. Because he preached to them Jesus and the resurrection.

Douay-Rheims

τινες δε και των επικουρειων και των στοικων στωικων φιλοσοφων συνεβαλλον αυτω και τινες ελεγον τι αν θελοι ο σπερμολογος ουτος λεγειν οι δε ξενων δαιμονιων δοκει καταγγελευς ειναι οτι τον ιησουν και την αναστασιν ευηγγελιζετο

Greek (Byzantine text)

The Church Fathers on this verse

8 Church Fathers comment on this verse

John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

It is astonishing that the philosophers did not proudly laugh at him at once when he began to speak. Nor did they reject his teaching by saying, "It is far from philosophy."

This was because he had no arrogance. Or, from another side, it was because they understood and grasped nothing of what was said.

Indeed, could those understand him among whom some regarded God as a bodily being, while others considered pleasure to be blessedness?

"Certain Epicurean and Stoic philosophers disputed with him. Some said, 'What does this babbler wish to say?' Others said, 'He seems to be a preacher of foreign divinities,' because he preached Jesus and the resurrection to them."

They thought that the resurrection, anastasis, was some divinity, since they were accustomed to honor women also.

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At that time the Athenians were no longer governed by their own laws, since they were subject to the Romans.

Why did the philosophers begin disputing with him? They saw that others were conversing with him and that this man was gaining reputation.

And see how offensively they speak at once: "The natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God" (1 Cor 2:14). "He seems," they say, "to be a preacher of foreign divinities."

They called their gods daimones, and their cities were filled with idols.

They thought the resurrection was some god, because they were accustomed to worship female divinities as well. They called the gods daimones, because the cities were full of daimones.

By the time of John Chrysostom, the Greek word daimones, "divinities," had acquired a negative shade that it had not previously possessed.

Although this tendency in the use of the word is already visible in the Septuagint (cf. Ps 95:5), only during the official Christianization of the empire at the end of the fourth century did daimones come to mean only fallen angels, demons.

Christians believed that their presence purified cities from the power of the latter. Such purification was considered more successful when martyrdom took place.

Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

"And certain philosophers of the Epicureans and of the Stoics disputed with him." The Epicureans said that everything exists without divine providence.

Directing his speech chiefly against them, Paul says further, "He Himself gives to all life and breath" (Acts 17:25). He also says that God "determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation" (Acts 17:26). In this way he proves God's providence.

The philosophers did not laugh at him when he said this, because they understood nothing of what was being said. How could people understand the apostle when they saw God in a body and blessedness in bodily pleasures?

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"And some said, What does this babbler wish to say?" They say that the name spermologos belonged to a worthless bird accustomed to gather seeds at crossroads.

The philosophers, who held their heads high and were proud of their grandiloquence, likened Paul to this bird. In Proverbs, the wise are called foolish.

Therefore, since the spermologos was a worthless bird, useful neither for food nor for amusement, empty people were called spermologoi, babblers.

"Others said, He seems to be a preacher of foreign divinities." This was because they thought that by the resurrection he meant some goddess, since they also honored certain women as goddesses.

Beda Venerabilis

7th centuryChurch Father

The Epicureans, inheriting the idleness of their teacher, placed man's happiness solely in bodily joy. The Stoics placed it solely in the virtue of the soul.

Although they differed from one another in opinion, they nevertheless rose with one mind against the apostle. For he taught that man consists of soul and body and must therefore be blessed in both.

Yet this must be attained not now and not by human virtue, but by the grace of God, through Jesus Christ, in the glory of the resurrection.

Despite Bede's simplified, even caricatured, description of the Greek philosophical schools, his assertion indicates a cardinal shift in understanding man and his destiny.

Christianity overcomes the dualism of soul and body. It seeks perfection not in pleasure or virtue, but in union with God through Jesus Christ, which reaches fullness beyond history.

Alexander Gorsky

19th centuryChurch Father

The marketplace, agora, formerly eretria, to which he came was near the meeting place of the philosophers, the stoa poikile. There he encountered philosophers of the Epicurean and Stoic schools.

One should consider the relation between Stoic and Epicurean philosophy. The Stoics recognized the deity as the all-acting principle in the universe and in human nature.

They were animated by striving toward an ideal grounded in man's moral nature. They also relied on man's religious needs and on the traditions bearing witness to them.

The Epicureans, although they left room for belief in the gods, made of it something idle, accidental, and wholly superfluous.

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They set pleasure as the highest goal of human striving. They mocked existing religions as products of human weakness and as a terrifying phantom.

Taking all this into account, one might conclude that the Stoics were closer to Christianity than the Epicureans. Yet it did not follow that they could suddenly receive it favorably.

The teaching demanded repentance and traces of self-abasement. It preached remission of sins, grace, and justification through faith.

Against this teaching, the thought of the moral self-sufficiency of the wise man strongly resisted within them.

Their highest deity, an unconscious eternal mind living in the universe, was not the living God. It was not the heavenly Father with His love, whom the Gospel preached.

The Christian God had to seem to the Stoics a being too human. Finally, the Stoics and Epicureans agreed with one another in a way that further harmed Christianity.

Infected by their philosophical pride, they could not look without contempt upon a teaching offered in Jewish colors and not developed in philosophical form.

For them it was a popular faith, upon which the philosopher permits himself to look with pity.

Bogolepow D.P.

19th centuryChurch Father

Among the people whom the apostle had to encounter and engage in religious conversation in the city marketplace were followers of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophical systems, the most fashionable at that time.

The views of these men were completely opposed to the Christian teaching preached by the apostle. The Epicureans were materialists, placing man's highest happiness in carefree enjoyment of earthly goods.

The Stoics held a view of life opposite to that of the Epicureans. They placed the highest dignity in moral self-mastery.

Yet they lacked moral self-knowledge, the understanding of the moral weakness of human nature. Such understanding is so necessary for grasping Christian doctrine.

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Epicureans and Stoics entered into conversations with the Apostle Paul, and often into disputes. Yet neither the one group nor the other accepted the teaching he preached.

Some of them, refusing even to understand the apostle, asked with proud contempt, "What does this babbler wish to say?"

In others, the apostle's preaching aroused only curiosity by its novelty. "He seems to be a preacher of foreign divinities," they said.

For, the writer of Acts observes, "he preached Jesus and the resurrection to them." Saint Chrysostom thinks that the Athenians understood not only Jesus, but also the resurrection of which Paul preached, as a new divinity.

Moved by curiosity (verse 21), they brought the apostle to the Areopagus, the meeting place of the supreme council of the Greek republic.

They asked him, before the assembly of the most educated people of their country, to unfold in greater detail the new teaching he preached.

The invitation for the apostle to speak was expressed in a tone as polite as it was subtly ironic: "May we know what this new teaching is which you proclaim? For you bring certain strange things to our ears."

Lopuchin A.P.

19th centuryChurch Father

The philosophers, with hidden envy, saw the extraordinary effect of the unknown preacher's teaching upon the masses. Yet strangely, these wise men themselves could understand nothing of it.

Their whole store of philosophical knowledge gave them no power to understand the new teaching. They had encountered nothing like it in Plato, Aristotle, Epicurus, Zeno, or the other pillars of philosophy.

In their view, those men had fathomed the whole sea of wisdom to its depths. The Stoics and Epicureans in the crowd had until then been hostile to one another.

Now they exchanged amazed glances, each trying to find from the other a solution to the riddle that had struck them. But the eyes of both expressed only dull perplexity.

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A muffled murmur of annoyance passed among them. Some of the bolder philosophers tried to enter into dispute with the apostle and halt his speech with objections.

But the objections returned like burning coals and fell upon their own heads. There was no place for them in the apostle's speech.

Hiding in the crowd, the objectors again reasoned among themselves in perplexity: "What then does this babbler wish to say?"

Thus these "fools in their wisdom" wanted to brand the great preacher of the evangelical teaching with a shameful name. Yet they did not conceal their folly.

It appeared all the more clearly from beneath their philosophical exterior. Others, apparently, listened more closely to the new teaching and said, "He seems to be a preacher of foreign divinities."

A malicious note sounded in these words. What? Does this bold newcomer think to stir up the people's conscience?

He does not honor Minerva, the sacred protectress of the city. He does not acknowledge the famed national gods, whose temples and statues adorn the streets and squares in multitude.

He dares to undermine the people's faith. He is a rebel against religion, the state, and the established order. He is a corrupter of the people and the youth.

Such was the malicious and treacherous language of those philosophers. For their base ambition, it cost nothing to resort to the most dishonorable means, if only they could remove a hated rival.

One of the greatest and most virtuous philosophers of the ancient world, Socrates, was forced to drink the cup of poison for this very charge.

He had been accused of undermining the people's faith and corrupting the youth. Blinded by malice, these wise men would have dealt with the unknown preacher on the spot.

Yet they feared the people, who by simple feeling understood better than they the truth preached to them. The people could have terribly avenged the offenders of their beloved preacher.

In view of this, the malicious haters covered their malice with innocent curiosity. They invited the Apostle Paul to the Areopagus, so that there he might set forth his new teaching in more detail before the leaders of the people.

Did they secretly remember that in this very supreme tribunal, the sage who had exposed sophists like them was once condemned to drink the deadly cup?

Michail (Lusin)

19th centuryChurch Father

"Epicurean and Stoic philosophers": the reason why followers of precisely these two philosophical systems, and not others, such as Academics or Peripatetics, began to dispute with Paul is partly that these systems were then very popular.

They had many followers. Therefore Paul had to meet them more often in the marketplace.

The reason also lies partly in the fact that these philosophical systems stood in sharper opposition to Christianity. The fundamental principle of the first was crude materialism and nihilism.

The principle of the second was self-enclosed pride in natural, and therefore imaginary, virtues of damaged and therefore sinful human nature.

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The judgment these philosophers drew from their conversation and disputes with Paul was twofold. Some, probably the Epicureans, regarded the truths Paul preached as empty talk or madness (1 Cor 1:23).

These truths were wholly opposed to their supposed wisdom. They did not wish to have anything more to do with him, since they did not understand him and rejected the truths he preached.

Others, probably among the Stoics, became interested that this foreigner was preaching about foreign, non-Greek divinities.

Paul was preaching Jesus Christ as God and the resurrection, Anastasis. They seem to have understood the resurrection also as a separate divinity, as Chrysostom says.

At least these did not turn away from the preacher with contempt. They wished to hear him, though they considered his words strange (verse 20).

Nikanor (Kamenski)

19th centuryChurch Father

The Epicureans and Stoics, as the most common philosophers of that time, met Paul in Athens before others did.

Following Epicurus's teaching about the greatest possible enjoyment of life, the Epicureans seem to have felt no desire to look into Paul's teaching. They considered every serious discourse unworthy of attention.

Therefore they lightly regarded the apostle's teaching as empty talk (cf. 1 Cor 1:23). The Stoics were generally more thoughtful and strict, both in judgment and in life.

Yet this time they also did not treat Paul's teaching with particular attention. Still, they understood that he was speaking about religion, and about some special religion.

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Or, as they said in superficial judgment, he was speaking about foreign divinities. Paul, however, spoke to them of the Savior of the whole world.

Through Him alone salvation is possible, which the Stoics vainly tried to attain by their own efforts. But they did not understand this teaching of the apostle.

Nor did they understand his teaching about the resurrection, which seemed ridiculous to them. In general, the wisdom of that age, in the persons of the capital's sages, became foolish (cf. Rom 1:22).

"And could those understand Him, among whom some regarded God as a bodily being, while others regarded sensual pleasure as blessedness?"

"Never, it seems, was the philosophical and literary movement in Athens as strong as at the time described. From many testimonies of the ancients, for example Propertius, almost a contemporary of the Apostle Paul, this can be seen.

Athens was then the central point toward which very many who wished to study philosophy and oratory were drawn. Yet the spirit of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle was present in none of the great crowd.

The whole city was then literally swarming with philosophers, orators, grammarians, and teachers of every kind. As for learning, it was generally in decline."

From this one can understand why the visitors of the marketplace, with whom Paul first had occasion to speak, treated his words so lightly. Only empty dilettantes of philosophy and science could have acted in this way.

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Greek text, 34 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. Τινὲς
    tines
    any one
    G5100 · τις
  2. δὲ
    de
    but
    G1161 · δέ
  3. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  4. τῶν
    tōn
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  5. Ἐπικουρείων
    epikoureiōn
    an Epicurean
    G1946 · Ἐπικούρειος
  6. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  7. Στοϊκῶν
    stoikōn
    Stoic
    G4770 · Στωϊκός
  8. φιλοσόφων
    philosophōn
    a philosopher
    G5386 · φιλόσοφος
  9. συνέβαλλον
    syneballon
    I ponder
    G4820 · συμβάλλω
  10. αὐτῷ
    autō
    he
    G846 · αὐτός
  11. καί
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  12. τινες
    tines
    any one
    G5100 · τις
  13. ἔλεγον
    elegon
    I say
    G3004 · λέγω
  14. Τί
    ti
    who
    G5101 · τίς
  15. ἂν
    an
    an untranslatable word that makes a statement contingent
    G302 · ἄν
  16. θέλοι
    theloi
    I will
    G2309 · θέλω
  17. ὁ
    ho
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  18. σπερμολόγος
    spermologos
    a babbler
    G4691 · σπερμολόγος
  19. οὗτος
    houtos
    this
    G3778 · οὗτος
  20. λέγειν
    legein
    I say
    G3004 · λέγω
  21. οἱ
    hoi
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  22. δέ
    de
    but
    G1161 · δέ
  23. Ξένων
    xenōn
    new
    G3581 · ξένος
  24. δαιμονίων
    daimoniōn
    an evil-spirit
    G1140 · δαιμόνιον
  25. δοκεῖ
    dokei
    I think
    G1380 · δοκέω
  26. καταγγελεὺς
    katangeleus
    a reporter
    G2604 · καταγγελεύς
  27. εἶναι
    einai
    I am
    G1510 · εἰμί
  28. ὅτι
    hoti
    that
    G3754 · ὅτι
  29. τὸν
    ton
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  30. Ἰησοῦν
    iēsoun
    Jesus
    G2424 · Ἰησοῦς
  31. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  32. τὴν
    tēn
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  33. ἀνάστασιν
    anastasin
    a rising again
    G386 · ἀνάστασις
  34. εὐηγγελίζετο
    euēngelizeto
    I bring good news
    G2097 · εὐαγγελίζομαι