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John 6:62Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said to them: Doth this scandalize you?

Douay-Rheims

εαν ουν θεωρητε τον υιον του ανθρωπου αναβαινοντα οπου ην το προτερον

Greek (Byzantine text)

The Church Fathers on this verse

12 Church Fathers comment on this verse

John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

He acted in the same way with Nathanael, saying: "Because I said to you, I saw you under the fig tree, do you believe? You will see greater things than these" (Jn 1:50). He did so also with Nicodemus: "No one has ascended into heaven except the Son of Man who is in heaven" (Jn 3:13).

What then? Does He add new perplexities to perplexities? By no means. Rather, by the greatness and number of the doctrines, He wishes to hold them close to Himself.

If He had simply said, "I came down from heaven," and added nothing more, He would have scandalized them sooner. But when He says, "My body is the life of the world," and also, "As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father," and again, "I came down from heaven," He thereby resolves their perplexity.

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One who says only one great thing about himself can, of course, still be suspected of lying. But one who, after that, declares so many things removes every suspicion.

He does and says all this to remove them from the thought that Joseph is His father. Therefore He did not speak in this way to increase the scandal, but to destroy it.

Whoever considered Him Joseph's son would not accept His words. But whoever was convinced that He came down from heaven and would ascend there again could more readily give heed to His words.

Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

What then, if you see Me, in appearance the Son of Man, ascending into heaven, where I was before as God? For one and the same ascends as Man to where He was before as God.

He said this to draw them away from the opinion that He was Joseph's son. For whoever believed that He was formerly in heaven would certainly believe that He is not Joseph's son, but God's Son. Finally, he would also believe His words.

When you hear that the Son of Man was formerly in heaven, do not think that the body came down from heaven. The heresiarchs Marcellus and Apollinarius babble in this way. Rather, since one and the same was Son of Man and God the Word, it is said, as we have stated, that He ascends as Man to where He was before as God.

Cyrill of Alexandria

5th centuryChurch Father

If you, although often initiated into the mystery by Me, have not yet attained faith that My body can communicate life to you, what disposition will you have when you see it flying even into heaven?

For I promise not only that I shall ascend into heaven itself, lest you again ask, "How?" The sight itself will stand before your eyes and put every objector to shame.

"If," He says, "you see the Son of Man ascending into heaven," what will you say then? You will be exposed as immeasurably foolish.

Indeed, if you think that My flesh cannot communicate life to you, how will it ascend into heaven like a winged creature? If it cannot give life because it does not have a life-giving nature, how will it move through the air? How will it ascend into the heavens?

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For this too is just as impossible for flesh. But if it ascends contrary to nature, what will prevent it also from giving life, though it does not have a life-giving nature as far as its own nature is concerned?

He who made the earthly heavenly can also make it life-giving, although by its own nature it is subject to corruption.

At the same time, one must observe that here too He does not allow a division into two christs, as some foolishly desire. Everywhere He preserves Himself undivided, even after becoming man.

He says precisely that "the Son of Man" ascends to where He "was before," although His earthly body had not been in heaven before this. Only the Word, by Himself, was there before His union with the flesh.

Therefore Paul well stated in his Epistles that there is "one Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Cor 8:6). For the Son is one, both before the Incarnation and after the Incarnation. We must not regard His own body as alien to the Word.

For this reason the Word, who came down from heaven above, also calls Himself the Son of Man. He "became flesh," according to the teaching of the blessed Evangelist, not by being changed into flesh through transformation. For as God He is by nature unchangeable and immutable.

Rather, He dwelt in His own temple, I mean the temple from the Virgin, and became a completely true man. And when He says that He will ascend to where He "was before," He partly enables His hearers to understand that He came down from heaven.

Having understood the meaning of the word in this way, they ought not only to listen to Him as a man. They should now acknowledge in Him God the Word in the flesh and believe that His body too must be life-giving.

Augustine of Hippo

5th centuryChurch Father

Christ is the Son of Man, from the Virgin Mary. Therefore He began to be the Son of Man on earth, since He received flesh from the earth. Hence the prophetic saying: "Truth has sprung up from the earth."

What do His words mean: "When you see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before"? There would be no question if He had said: "If you see the Son of God ascending to where He was before." But He says, "where He was before," as though, when He said this, He was not there.

Yet elsewhere He says: "No one has ascended into heaven except the Son of Man who came down from heaven, who is in heaven" (Jn 3:13). He did not say, "who was in heaven," but "the Son of Man, who is in heaven."

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What does this mean, if not that we should understand that Christ is one Person, the God-man, and not two? Otherwise our faith would be not in the Trinity, but in a quaternity.

Therefore Christ is one: Son of Man in time, yet one Christ by the unity of Person. He was in heaven when He spoke on earth. Thus the Son of Man was in heaven when the Son of God was on earth. The Son of God was on earth by receiving flesh; the Son of Man was in heaven in the unity of Person.

But Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples were murmuring about this (Jn 6:61). They spoke among themselves so that He would not hear them. Yet He, knowing them in Himself and hearing them in Himself, said: "Does this offend you, that I said, 'I give you My Flesh to eat and My Blood to drink'? Is this what offends you?" Cf. Jn 6:61, 51.

"What then, if you see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before?" (Jn 6:62). What does this mean? Did He resolve what troubled them? Did He disclose what had offended them? Yes, if only they could have understood.

They thought He was going to distribute His body. Therefore He told them that He would ascend into heaven, naturally, unharmed, meaning that His Body would remain whole and undivided.

"What then, if you see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before?" Plainly, then you will see that He does not distribute His body as you suppose. Plainly, then you will understand that His grace (gratia) is not eaten with the teeth.

Euthymios Zigabenos

11th centuryChurch Father

The omitted words are: “What will you say?” Here He speaks of His future ascension into heaven. “Ascending” refers to His humanity, and “where He was before” to His divinity. He who can make this body heavenly can certainly also make it food for men.

Alexander Gorsky

19th centuryChurch Father

It was not enough that the Jews, little acquainted with the manner of the Lord's teaching, were scandalized. Many even of His disciples were scandalized, applying His words to the physical eating of His present flesh and blood, which they saw before them.

Some said to Him directly how strange it was to hear such words. Others kept these thoughts hidden.

The Lord, understanding the secrets of their hearts, added to His discourse: "What then, if you see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before?" That is, there is no need to be scandalized by these words.

The Son of Man will ascend into heaven, where He was before, as the bread that came down from heaven. Then it will be impossible to eat this flesh of Mine which you see, but rather the glorified, spiritual flesh.

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By this every scandal is removed, if only you had faith for it. "The Spirit gives life; the flesh," He did not say "My flesh," "profits nothing." Do not be fleshly; rise to what is spiritual. "My words are spirit and life."

Bogolepow D.P.

19th centuryChurch Father

The hearers of Jesus Christ were even more scandalized by His teaching about believers eating His Flesh and drinking His Blood than by His words, "I came down from heaven." Yet they did not say this openly (6:61). They only murmured among themselves about the strangeness of His speech.

But Jesus Christ says: "Does this offend you? If it is hard for you to understand My word about eating My Flesh and drinking My Blood, how will you respond to something still harder for you to understand? How will you respond to the Son of Man ascending with His glorified Body to God the Father, where, as the Son of God, He was from eternity?"

Gladkow B.I.

19th centuryChurch Father

This discourse took place in Capernaum, in the synagogue, in the presence of the apostles and other disciples of Jesus. Now it was no longer the Pharisees and scribes, but many of His disciples, who quietly, almost in a whisper, said to one another: "What strange words! Who can listen to this?"

This murmuring was unnoticed by the others present in the synagogue, but it could not escape the all-knowing Jesus. He said to them: "Does this offend you? What then, if you see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before?"

"The speech is pathetically broken and requires a supplement, which should be this: if this offends you, will you not fall into still greater offense when you see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before?

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Here the Lord speaks of His ascent to the Father in the broad sense, as His ascent into glory through sufferings (Lk 24:26). In the visible sufferings lies the beginning of His glory. Having suffered, He died, rose again, and ascended.

It is precisely this starting point of His glory, His sufferings and shameful death, that He indicates here. It will be a cause of offense to the Jews still greater than the offense caused by His present discourse.

If you are now offended by My word about the bread of life, My Flesh, what will happen when you see My sufferings and shameful death? Will this not be a still greater offense to you, since, in the carnal tendency of your views, you do not understand that these sufferings and death are the path to My glory and the ascent to where I was before?" Bishop Michael, Explanatory Gospel.

Speaking to the murmuring disciples, the Lord says that the end of His earthly course will offend them still more. They will see Him crucified on the Cross, although this death on the Cross will be only the beginning of His ascent to where He was before.

The Lord said: "You think only of the earthly and the fleshly. You cannot free yourselves from it, even when I speak to you of heavenly things and of the salvation of your souls.

Understand, then, that true life, eternal life, is given not by bodily food, nor by the manna your fathers ate. It is given by that spiritual food, that heavenly bread, which I give you.

For true eternal life is the life of the spirit, not of the body. The spirit enlivens the body; the Spirit gives life, but not the flesh. The flesh profits nothing and does not lead to the blessedness of eternal life.

You think only of the earthly and fleshly. The words that I speak to you are spirit and life. They lead to the perfection of the spirit, to the perfection of your souls, and secure for you the blessedness of eternal life.

But faith in Me is needed to understand them. I see that there are unbelievers among you. They are the ones who do not understand Me. Since they do not understand Me, they do not follow Me.

By refusing to fulfill the will of God, they cannot come to Me. The will of My Father is that all should believe in Me and all should come to Me.

The one who comes to Me comes according to the will of My Father, and this coming is, as it were, given to him by the Father. But whoever rejects the will of God has not been granted by My Father to come to Me.

For this reason I told you that no one can come to Me unless it is granted him by My Father."

Michail (Lusin)

19th centuryChurch Father

"What then, if you see," and so forth, is a pathetically broken speech that requires supplementation. According to the connection of the discourse, it should be this: if this offends you, will you not come into greater offense when you see this?

"Ascending to where He was before" signifies ascent to the Father (Jn 3:13). Likewise, the expression "having descended" or "sent from the Father" signifies the descent of the Son of God to earth.

The ascent to the Father was accomplished in the Ascension of the risen Christ. But in what does the greater offense for the Jews consist here? If by Christ's ascending to where He was before we understand His Ascension, we must complete the Lord's words thus: will you really be offended even then, when you see this?

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But this would be contrary to the context of the discourse. Here the Lord speaks of His ascent in the broad sense, as His ascent into His glory through sufferings (Lk 24:26). In the visible sufferings lies the beginning of His glory. Having suffered, He died, rose, and ascended.

It is precisely this starting point, so to speak, of His glory that He indicates here: His sufferings and shameful death. These would be a cause of offense to the Jews still greater than the offense caused by His present discourse.

If you are now offended by My word about the bread of life, My Flesh, what will happen when you see My sufferings and shameful death? Will this not be a greater offense to you, since, in the carnal tendency of your views (Jn 6:63), you do not understand that these sufferings and death are the path to My glory and to My ascent to where I was before?

The death of the Messiah on the Cross was indeed always the greatest offense for the Jews (Jn 12:31; 1 Cor 1:23; Gal 5:14; cf. Mt 16:21 and following).

Nikolaj Alexandrow

19th centuryChurch Father

The Lord Jesus Christ, not yet revealing the manner in which believers would eat His divine Flesh, develops His teaching in verses 53-58. He speaks more fully of the Mystery of Holy Communion, in which believers will truly and substantially, not merely figuratively, eat the Body and Blood of Christ.

Through this they will enter into close spiritual communion with Christ and receive the pledge of eternal life. The Lord instituted the Mystery of Holy Communion at the Mystical Supper, on the eve of His sufferings. Here, in His discourse with the Jews, He is only preparing believers for this mystery.

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When He instituted the Mystery of Holy Communion at the Mystical Supper, the Lord also answered the perplexed question of the Jews. How, and in what manner, can believers eat the Flesh and Blood of Christ? Under the form of bread and wine, believers will eat the Body and Blood of Christ.

The Lord did not reveal this mystery in His discourse with the Jews because not only they, but even the chosen among them, the apostles, could not yet receive it. They did not yet have firm faith in Christ as the Son of God, incarnate for the salvation of mankind through His sufferings on the Cross and His death.

Indeed, at the end of chapter six, the Evangelist John notes that not only the Pharisees and scribes began to murmur. Many of the disciples of Jesus Christ also did so, though they were disposed toward Him and free of Pharisaic hostility.

Philaret (Gumilevski)

19th centuryChurch Father

Verses 60-71 contain the Savior's discourse with the disciples. Verses 60-66 say: "Many of the disciples said: What strange words!" These disciples are not the chosen twelve of verse 67, nor are they the people.

Many of them were inwardly scandalized by what they heard in verse 61. They said among themselves: this is σκληρὸς λόγος, an unbearable speech, offensive to feeling, so that hardly anyone can listen to it.

The prediction of the Messiah's death shattered the pleasant dreams of a powerful kingdom of the Messiah, by which so many had comforted themselves. And now there were also words about giving His flesh as food. All this seemed too strange and unbearable.

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The disciples secretly exchanged words of mistrust among themselves (Jn 10:20). The Savior saw what was taking place in their souls. To instruct them, He says that with their own eyes they will see His ascension into heaven.

The disciples were scandalized that His flesh would be food. Equally, if not more, incomprehensible was that His body would ascend into heaven. But if they were convinced by the experience of their senses of the reality of the flesh's ascension, they should also believe that His power extends to making His flesh wondrous food for the faithful.

There is a similar instruction in Jn 3:12. "The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing." By flesh and spirit some, such as Klee, understand a sensible and a spiritual way of thinking, showing in the first an incapacity for understanding spiritual things.

But the Savior is not speaking about what can find the truth. He is speaking about what can give life or bring no benefit. He wishes to clarify His words about the flesh and remove the cause of scandal.

Christ's Flesh gives life because in it there is the life-giving and all-powerful Spirit. But the flesh of which the Jews are thinking, can it be useful for anything? See 2 Cor 5:16; 1 Pet 3:18.

"The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life." His words referred to His body and blood. Therefore "words" should be replaced by "body and blood." His body and blood, of which He spoke, are spirit and life. The body bears the Spirit in itself; the blood bears life in itself.

Cyril of Alexandria and Leontius understood Christ's words in this way. "But there are some of you who do not believe." "For this reason I said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him by My Father."

Wlastow G.K.

19th centuryChurch Father

With sorrow the Lord Jesus turns to the disciples who were terrified by His words. According to Chrysostom, those words exceeded their weakness and caused them great fear. For "they thought that He was saying something above His dignity and exceeding His power." Cf. Mk 3:21.

But knowing their thoughts, He points them to something greater and says: "What then, if you see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before?" Will not an even greater terror fall upon you?

Yet the Lord does not desire fear. He desires faith and love, and those who were scandalized had neither. Human reasoning prevented them from believing. In their doubt, they did not even give themselves time to wait for the fulfillment of the words of One who was visibly endowed with higher powers.

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Therefore many of the disciples departed from the Lord (v. 66). Meanwhile the Son of Man and the Son of God, the one Christ, was revealing through His words both His future sufferings and His future glorious resurrection.

"I ascend," the Lord said to Mary, so that she might pass His words on to the disciples, "to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God" (Jn 20:17).

But those who could not believe deprived themselves of the joy of seeing the "ascent of the Son of Man." They deprived themselves of a portion with the Lord (Jn 13:8), because they did not understand that one must give oneself wholly to the Lord.

In due time He will also send understanding to the one who has faith. "You shall understand afterward," the Lord said to Peter.

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Passages read together with this verse.

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Greek text, 12 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. ἐὰν
    ean
    if
    G1437 · ἐάν
  2. οὖν
    oun
    therefore
    G3767 · οὖν
  3. θεωρῆτε
    theōrēte
    I behold
    G2334 · θεωρέω
  4. τὸν
    ton
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  5. Υἱὸν
    huion
    a son
    G5207 · υἱός
  6. τοῦ
    tou
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  7. ἀνθρώπου
    anthrōpou
    a man
    G444 · ἄνθρωπος
  8. ἀναβαίνοντα
    anabainonta
    I go up
    G305 · ἀναβαίνω
  9. ὅπου
    hopou
    where
    G3699 · ὅπου
  10. ἦν
    ēn
    I am
    G1510 · εἰμί
  11. τὸ
    to
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  12. πρότερον
    proteron
    former
    G4387 · πρότερος