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Jude 1:8Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

In like manner, these men also defile the flesh and despise dominion and blaspheme majesty.

Douay-Rheims

ομοιως μεντοι και ουτοι ενυπνιαζομενοι σαρκα μεν μιαινουσιν κυριοτητα δε αθετουσιν δοξας δε βλασφημουσιν

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11 Church Fathers comment on this verse

Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

Having set forth the examples just mentioned, the Apostle left the consequence of them for the hearer himself to infer. What consequence?

If God dealt in this way with these, without regard for their former good lot, then will the present impious men be delivered by the fact that the Son of God came into the world for men, endured reproach for them, and bore sufferings?

No one can say this. For although He is man-loving, He is also truly righteous. According to true justice He did not spare those who sinned, and according to His love for mankind He brought harlots and publicans into the Kingdom (Mt 21:31).

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This consequence follows. But the Apostle omitted it, either for the reason we stated before, or following the example of Saint Peter when he said, “If God did not spare the angels who sinned” (2 Pet 2:4), and so forth.

So we speak concerning this.

The words “dreamers, who defile the flesh” are spoken with remarkable modesty. By the expression “dreamers” the Apostle only hinted at the extremely shameful side of the matter.

Let us reveal it in part and insofar as is fitting, borrowing information about this from the work of Saint Epiphanius of Cyprus which he called the Panarion.

He says that these fornicators and defilers, while shamefully joining themselves to women, do not release the seed into the womb. Instead, before completing the defilement, they take it into their hands.

At once they put it into the mouths of the women with whom they were corrupting themselves. In this way the unclean ones withdraw from one another, imagining that they have done something great.

Because the act is unfinished, the Apostle calls this unclean handful “dreaming,” for a similar defilement occurs during sleep.

Defiling their flesh by such a foul offering, they also rise up madly against the divine nature, denying Its dominion and lordship over all.

Saint Irenaeus, bishop of Lyons, spoke about this at greater length in his work Refutation of the Knowledge Falsely So Called.

Another explanation: the Apostle testifies to the corruption of the heretics, saying that they are unclean in life and most vile in knowledge.

He says that they reject principalities, that is, they reject the accomplishment of the mystery of Christ. They reject it because instead of angelic mysteries they perform their own defilements.

They revile exalted powers, δόξας. By powers one should understand the various opinions of wise men, called “positions,” θέσεις, among the noble Greeks.

By these they mean exalted opinions, accessible not to everyone, but to those acquainted with philosophy. The Apostle Paul is a witness to what we say.

When the Athenians brought him to the Areopagus and he preached to them the teaching about God, they considered him a babbler (Acts 17:1-34).

Thus, just as the teaching of the Apostles was called babbling, so the matters mentioned above were called powers.

Therefore, when speaking of men given by God and inspired by God, the Apostle Jude used the word “powers” as customary and known to all.

Another explanation: by “powers” he perhaps means the Old and New Testaments.

Or by “powers” he means ecclesiastical authorities, whom they reviled, as the beloved John makes known in his Third Epistle (3 Jn 1:9-10). He writes that Diotrephes slanders them with evil words.

Clement of Alexandria

2nd centuryChurch Father

That is, those who give themselves over to their own dreams, considering lusts and evil desires to be good, and not that which is truly good and above every good.

Andrew the Monk

6th centuryChurch Father

“Dreamers” means those who think nothing true, but as if imagining in sleep, introduce teachings full of impiety.

They say that the flesh, that is, our body, is the creation of wicked Satan. They blaspheme the one lordship and glory of the Holy Trinity, assigning beginninglessness and uncreatedness to the Father, while numbering the Son and the Holy Spirit among creatures made in time.

These impious teachings are found among the Manichaeans and Arius. Therefore the Apostle so zealously refutes such teachings.

“They defile the flesh” by not confessing that the one God is the Creator of the visible and invisible. Instead, they deify matter and darkness and despise the flesh.

See how great an evil he describes when he says that both their mind and their whole life are corrupted.

Oecumenius

6th centuryChurch Father

The words, “dreamers who defile the flesh,” are worthy of admiration for their delicacy of expression. For he testifies to their great licentiousness, saying that in life they are unclean and in tongue utterly corrupt. Since this is a most shameful matter, he called them dreamers.

Ivanov A.V.

19th centuryChurch Father

“They reject dominion and blaspheme glories.” Some understand “dominions” and “glories” as angelic ranks. But in the Apostle Peter, in the parallel passage at 2 Pet 2:10, higher authorities are meant in general. Blessed Theophylact explains this passage as follows: “They reject the performance of the mystery of Christ, because instead of angelic mysteries they perform their own defilements. By authorities he means ecclesiastical authorities, whom they slandered. The beloved John makes this known in his Third Epistle, where he writes that Diotrephes reviles them with evil words” (3 Jn 1:9-10).

Kochomski S.W.

19th centuryChurch Father

Depicting and rebuking those “dreamers who defile the flesh, reject dominions, and revile exalted powers” (verse 8), the holy Apostle Jude adds to what the Apostle Peter says about the same heretics.

He compares their obstinacy, which leads them to destruction, with the obstinacy that destroyed Korah: “They perished in the rebellion of Korah” (verse 11).

Korah and his associates reasoned exactly as the Stundists do when they reject the priesthood and authorities.

“Korah,” we read in the book of Numbers, “Dathan, and Abiram rose up against Moses and Aaron and said to them, ‘You take too much upon yourselves. All the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the Lord is among them.

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Why then do you exalt yourselves above the assembly of the Lord?’ When Moses heard it, he fell on his face, and said to Korah and all his company, ‘Tomorrow the Lord will show who is His and who is holy, that He may bring him near to Himself.

The one whom He chooses, He will bring near to Himself’” (Num 16:1-6).

The rebels suffered a fearful destruction: “The earth opened its mouth and swallowed them, and their houses, and all the men of Korah, and all their goods” (verse 32).

According to the teaching of the holy Apostle Jude, a similar fate now threatens those who in the same way “reject dominions and revile exalted powers.”

Michail (Lusin)

19th centuryChurch Father

“Dreamers” means those who dream as in sleep, fantasists who build castles in the air, or invent false teachings that do not have even a shadow of truth. “Flesh”: they defile it like the Sodomites and Gomorrhans, and so forth. See Rom 1:27; 2 Pet 2:10 and the note.

Michail Cheraskov

19th centuryChurch Father

Second, the Apostle then foretells for the corrupters of Christians contemporary with him the same bitter fate as in the examples given above. He compares them in tendency and way of life with the Sodomites, with Cain, Balaam, and Korah (Jude 8-11).

“Just so it will be with these dreamers,” who invent from their fantasy various shameful false teachings.

They “defile the flesh,” by corruption like the Sodomites and Gomorrahites; cf. 1 Cor 1:9, 18; Rom 1:27. They “reject dominions and revile exalted powers,” especially rejecting the authority of spiritual powers and the hierarchy; Jude 8; cf. 2 Pet 2:10.

When and in what respect did the body of Moses become the occasion for a dispute between Archangel Michael and the devil?

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When and in what respect did the body of Moses become the occasion for a dispute between Archangel Michael and the devil?

The Old Testament Scripture, and especially Deuteronomy, narrates the death of Moses on Mount Nebo. It makes a deliberate note that the place where Moses’ body was buried was unknown (Deut 34:1, 5, 6).

Yet it is completely silent about what the Apostle Jude says in his epistle.

Meanwhile, according to the testimony of the earliest Fathers and writers of the Church, in Apostolic times there was an apocryphal book, The Burial or Assumption of Moses. A fragment of it has come down to our time.

In it there is, among other things, an account of how the devil, at the place of Moses’ death, claimed rights over his body because Moses had once allegedly killed an Egyptian.

It also tells how the devil intended to arrange for Moses to be splendidly buried before everyone in a known place. Later he wished to make him an object of worship among the Jews, who were inclined to idolatry.

Archangel Michael, the protector of the Jewish people, did not permit the devil to do any of this.

Supposing that Jude’s epistle borrowed from this apocryphal book the account of Archangel Michael’s dispute with the devil, some even rejected the authenticity of the epistle itself.

They said that a divinely inspired Apostle could not have borrowed from an apocryphal book.

Meanwhile, according to scholarly investigation, the above-mentioned apocryphon about Moses appeared as a separate book only after the destruction of Jerusalem. Consequently, it appeared after Jude wrote his epistle.

Therefore the Apostle could not have borrowed anything from the apocryphon about Moses.

How then should we explain the origin of his account of Archangel Michael’s dispute with the devil?

If we take into account that some biblical events and persons did not enter the sacred Hebrew books, but were preserved by tradition in the mouth of the Jewish people, then this becomes clear.

There is evidence for this even in the sacred books themselves. For example, the names of the Egyptian magicians who disputed with Moses are not recorded in Exodus, but they appear in the Epistle of the Apostle Paul, 2 Tim 3:8.

Therefore the Holy Apostle Jude could of course have borrowed his account of Archangel Michael from popular tradition, being assured by divine inspiration of the truth of this tradition.

Nikanor (Kamenski)

19th centuryChurch Father

The examples are not given in historical order, but in the order that comes closer to Christians. Then the other two examples are presented.

They strikingly prove how the Lord punished even the higher spirits for contempt of their station, and how whole cities and regions were destroyed for sins against nature.

The same fate is threatened to all who corrupt their body by sinful life and who, in proud madness, deny every authority in general and every order of rank in particular.

This denial begins with the authority of the Lord and of the Angels, and ends with human authority in the pastors and teachers of the Church. Diotrephes, for example, slandered them (cf. 2 Pet 2:4; 3 Jn 1:9-10).

The Apostle calls the day of the universal judgment “great” in verse 6 because of the greatness of the events of that day. He also does so because endless eternity will begin with that day (cf. 2 Pet 2:9).

Philaret of Moscow (Drosdow)

19th centuryChurch Father

A rebellious and devilish quality is revealed by the one who, not respecting public order, pronounces a bold or blasphemous judgment upon superiors. In the Apostle’s words, such a man “rejects dominion and blasphemes glories” and “does not tremble” (Jude 1:8). But neither is he animated by an angelic or Christian spirit who nourishes pride within himself, or shows contempt toward those below him in deed or word.

Vissarion (Nechaev)

19th centuryChurch Father

The discussion concerns the false teachers, “these indeed.” They are not instructed by the examples of God’s wrath upon the impious and lawless.

They are enemies of the truth and boldly present their ravings as truth, “seeing dreams.” Having taken into their heads that there is no sin in carnal uncleanness, they defile the flesh like the Sodomites.

Moreover, they reject dominion and boldly, without trembling, blaspheme exalted powers. They acknowledge no one’s right to restrain them or to punish them for moral outrages.

They reason as follows. By virtue of adoption by God in baptism, we are all equal. We must depend on no one and submit to no one. Each man is his own master.

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Away with principality, away with authority. Neither in the Church nor in the state should some have superiority over others. Everywhere the fullest freedom and absence of authority should reign.

So reasoned the false teachers of Apostolic times. In this respect they resemble the malicious men of our own time known as extreme socialists and anarchists, sworn enemies of ecclesiastical and civil authority.

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Passages read together with this verse.

The original text

Greek text, 14 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. Ὁμοίως
    homoiōs
    in like manner
    G3668 · ὁμοίως
  2. μέντοι
    mentoi
    indeed
    G3305 · μέντοι
  3. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  4. οὗτοι
    houtoi
    this
    G3778 · οὗτος
  5. ἐνυπνιαζόμενοι
    enypniazomenoi
    I dream
    G1797 · ἐνυπνιάζω
  6. σάρκα
    sarka
    flesh
    G4561 · σάρξ
  7. μὲν
    men
    truly
    G3303 · μέν
  8. μιαίνουσιν
    miainousin
    I stain
    G3392 · μιαίνω
  9. κυριότητα
    kyriotēta
    lordship
    G2963 · κυριότης
  10. δὲ
    de
    but
    G1161 · δέ
  11. ἀθετοῦσιν
    athetousin
    I annul
    G114 · ἀθετέω
  12. δόξας
    doxas
    honor
    G1391 · δόξα
  13. δὲ
    de
    but
    G1161 · δέ
  14. βλασφημοῦσιν
    blasphēmousin
    I speak evil against
    G987 · βλασφημέω