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Luke 5:33Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

And they said to him: Why do the disciples of John fast often and make prayers, and the disciples of the Pharisees in like manner; but thine eat and drink?

Douay-Rheims

οι δε ειπον προς αυτον δια τι οι μαθηται ιωαννου νηστευουσιν πυκνα και δεησεις ποιουνται ομοιως και οι των φαρισαιων οι δε σοι εσθιουσιν και πινουσιν

Greek (Byzantine text)

The Church Fathers on this verse

5 Church Fathers comment on this verse

Cyrill of Alexandria

5th centuryChurch Father

Observe their relentless malice: as soon as they receive clarification on their initial accusation, they swiftly transition to another charge, seeking a chance to implicate the sacred disciples and Jesus Himself in violating the law.

Augustine of Hippo

5th centuryChurch Father

The Gospel of Matthew recounts: Then the disciples of John approached Him and asked, "Why do we and the Pharisees often fast?" Mark relays it this way: The disciples of John and the Pharisees were fasting. They came to Him and posed the question, "Why do the disciples of John and the Pharisees fast?" The mention of the Pharisees in Mark’s initial statement implies they, alongside John’s disciples, may have been addressing this inquiry, while Matthew focuses solely on John’s followers. Mark’s wording likely suggests that some were discussing the practices of others. Those attending the feast approached Jesus to express their observations about John's disciples and the Pharisees.

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It appears they did not come to inquire about their own actions but rather to bring attention to the fasting of others: "The disciples of John and the Pharisees are fasting." Should we consider that they too might have been fasting, then the scenario unfolds like this: They, facing temptation, asked, "Why do the disciples of John and the Pharisees fast, yet Your disciples do not fast?" This notion is echoed in Luke's account, where sinners and the weak ask Him, "Why do the disciples of John fast frequently and pray, and likewise the Pharisees, but Your disciples eat and drink?" If we accept Mark’s depiction of the feast attendees, then Matthew’s phrasing, “Then the disciples of John came to Him and said, ‘Why do we and the Pharisees fast?’” captures the essence of their inquiry. It suggests that they were present at the feast, offering their unique perspective. The three evangelists each provide distinct narratives that remain consistent with the truth.

Ambrose of Milan

4th centuryChurch Father

Those who engage in fasting, in the absence of Christ, find themselves in need of spiritual provisions and merits. Truly, the one who possesses virtue through love and welcomes Christ into their home hosts a remarkable feast—a spiritual banquet of good deeds—where those who are wealthy find themselves in want, while those in need thrive. Therefore, the companions of the bridegroom cannot fast as long as He is present among them.

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The time will arrive when the bridegroom is taken away from them (Luke 5:35). What do these days signify when Christ will be removed from us, especially considering that He reassures us, I am with you all days to the end of the age (Matt. 28:20), and promises, I will not leave you orphans (Jn. 14:18)? Indeed, if He departs from us, our salvation is jeopardized. No one can separate you from Christ unless you choose to withdraw from Him. Allow not your pride to separate you from Him, nor let your arrogance drive you away, and do not rely on legalistic righteousness; for He came not to call the virtuous, but sinners (Luke 5:32, Matthew 9:13). The righteous are those who do not retaliate against harm and who love their enemies. If we reject this understanding, we reveal the contrary: I came not to call the righteous, suggesting that He does not summon those who consider themselves just. In their ignorance of God and their attempts to establish their own righteousness, they remain disobedient to the truth of God. Thus, those who wrongfully assume justice are excluded from grace; for when grace is offered through repentance, those burdened by their own fault do not accept it. Those who sanctify themselves will be wounded, and from them, the Bridegroom will be taken away. Yet neither Caiaphas nor Pilate has removed Christ from us, and we cannot fast, for Christ is present, and we partake of His body and blood. How can one who is not hungry fast? How can one who does not thirst go without fasting? How can someone who drinks from Christ ever be thirsty, when He has declared: Whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst (Jn 4:14)?

Alexander Gorsky

19th centuryCommentator

Feeling embarrassed by this response, they sought to retaliate against both the teacher and His followers by criticizing them for the leniency of His teachings, indicating that their own practices did not set them apart from sinners in terms of either their self-denial or their prayers. Fasting and prayer serve as the primary means for cleansing oneself from sin and achieving sanctity. However, these practices held little significance for them. To bolster their argument, the Pharisees enlisted the disciples of John, who happened to be present, drawing comparisons between John's esteemed example, recognized by Jesus, and their own, suggesting a question to Him: Why do your disciples not fast and pray as we do or as the disciples of John?

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The Lord provided a response, which was not surprising. First, it is essential to differentiate between the condition of these various disciples. Second, it is crucial to understand how this requirement aligns with the broader tenets of My teachings. Fasting symbolizes mourning; when one mourns, thoughts of food are absent, as the act of fasting originates from sorrow over the loss of something precious. My disciples have no cause for sorrow while I am with them, just as the friends of the bridegroom, invited to the wedding, have no reason to grieve while he is present. The disciples of John may and should fast now, for their bridegroom is not with them (he is imprisoned). The Pharisees, who would not align themselves with either John or Jesus, always find justification for fasting, although their practice lacks the significance they attribute to it in the eyes of God. The situation will be different when the time of trial arrives for My disciples. Even then, as challenges confront My followers, the external observances must align with other external customs as well as with new internal realities. To merely imitate the disciples of John, making only a minor adjustment to their way of life, would be akin to patching an old garment, thus making the tear larger. Similarly, to follow the Pharisees’ example by clinging to all previous forms would result in pouring new wine into an old wineskin, causing both the wine and the wineskin to be lost. Therefore, all things have their own timing and measure. In this way, the Pharisees' attempts to impose their rules on Jesus were ultimately dismissed, prompting the Lord's disciples to more closely examine their relationships with both the Pharisees and the disciples of John, from whom some of them had originally come. Consequently, the scribes and Pharisees learned that the Lord had no intention of adhering to their expectations or regulations, demonstrating His desire to operate with complete autonomy.

Michail (Lusin)

19th centuryCommentator

"And they said": Luke offers a single, flowing dialogue between the Lord and the scribes and Pharisees, while Mark and Matthew recount it in separate accounts. Mark and Matthew indicate that the disciples of John the Baptist joined with the Pharisees in questioning the Lord's disciples about fasting (Matthew 9:14, Mark 2:18). On this occasion, the disciples of the Baptist aligned themselves with the Pharisees and scribes, which accounts for the variation in how the Evangelists present the question, though its essence remains unchanged (in Matthew: we and the Pharisees; in Mark and Luke: 'the disciples of John and the Pharisees'). The convergence of John's disciples with the scribes and Pharisees was likely coincidental, as there was no real cohesion between them.

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It is important to recall how firmly John criticized the Pharisees, and his disciples would have treated them with the same strictness. Their temporary association arose from both groups observing rigorous fasts, although their motivations, character, and objectives differed greatly: one group exhibiting hypocrisy and the other showing genuine religious devotion, particularly heightened by the imprisonment of their teacher, John. The similarity in their prayer practices follows the same reasoning. The phrase "And they make prayers" is a detail found only in Luke, who enhances the account provided by the earlier Evangelists. Fasting alongside prayer frequently signifies a serious religious commitment (cf. Matt. 17:21). The presence of John's disciples, although not explicitly mentioned by the Evangelist, is evident in the Lord's response, which distinctly alludes to the final testimony of the Baptist concerning Christ—a message the disciples of John had heard and which could resonate powerfully with them (John 3:29).

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Greek text, 24 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. Οἱ
    hoi
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  2. δὲ
    de
    but
    G1161 · δέ
  3. εἶπαν
    eipan
    to say
    G2036 · ἔπω, ἐρῶ, εἶπον
  4. πρὸς
    pros
    to
    G4314 · πρός
  5. αὐτόν
    auton
    he
    G846 · αὐτός
  6. Οἱ
    hoi
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  7. μαθηταὶ
    mathētai
    a learner
    G3101 · μαθητής
  8. Ἰωάννου
    iōannou
    John
    G2491 · Ἰωάννης
  9. νηστεύουσιν
    nēsteuousin
    I fast
    G3522 · νηστεύω
  10. πυκνὰ
    pykna
    frequent
    G4437 · πυκνός
  11. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  12. δεήσεις
    deēseis
    supplication
    G1162 · δέησις
  13. ποιοῦνται
    poiountai
    I do
    G4160 · ποιέω
  14. ὁμοίως
    homoiōs
    in like manner
    G3668 · ὁμοίως
  15. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  16. οἱ
    hoi
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  17. τῶν
    tōn
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  18. Φαρισαίων
    pharisaiōn
    a Pharisee
    G5330 · Φαρισαῖος
  19. οἱ
    hoi
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  20. δὲ
    de
    but
    G1161 · δέ
  21. σοὶ
    soi
    yours
    G4674 · σός
  22. ἐσθίουσιν
    esthiousin
    I eat
    G2068 · ἐσθίω
  23. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  24. πίνουσιν
    pinousin
    I drink
    G4095 · πίνω