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John 8:42Meaning & Commentary from the Church Fathers

Jesus therefore said to them: If God were your Father, you would indeed love me. For from God I proceeded and came. For I came not of myself: but he sent me.

Douay-Rheims

ειπεν ουν αυτοις ο ιησους ει ο θεος πατηρ υμων ην ηγαπατε αν εμε εγω γαρ εκ του θεου εξηλθον και ηκω ουδε γαρ απ εμαυτου εληλυθα αλλ εκεινος με απεστειλεν

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The Church Fathers on this verse

11 Church Fathers comment on this verse

John Chrysostom

4th centuryChurch Father

But He deprives them of this honor also, that of having God as Father. By all that was said before, He proved that they are not from God, but from the devil.

To kill is the devil's work, and to lie is the devil's work (v. 44), and you do both. Now He shows that love is the sign of being from God.

Since they said they persecuted Him out of zeal, supposedly for God, He everywhere strives to show that to persecute Him is to hate God. On the contrary, He says, to love Him is to know God.

Therefore, the fact that you do not believe does not prove that I am alien to God. On the contrary, your unbelief is a sign that you do not know God.

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The cause of this is that you wish to lie and do the works of the devil. This comes from poverty of soul, as the Apostle says: "For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal?" (1 Cor 3:3).

The expression "I proceeded" means that He is from God. He says "I proceeded," pointing to His coming to us. Since one might expect them to say, "You are saying something strange and new," He adds that He came from God.

Theophylact of Bulgaria

11th centuryChurch Father

Since He excluded them from kinship with Abraham, they rose still higher and called God their Father. He had reproached them as murderers, but they, defending themselves, say that they are avenging God and therefore form a council against Him.

Therefore the Lord shows that they are not standing up for God. By their very purpose they wish to kill Him, and they are not children of God, as they thought, but even opponents of God.

He says, "If God were your Father, you would love Me." For I came down from God into the world, that is, I appeared in the flesh. I am not opposed to God. I came from Him.

Therefore, by rising up against Me, you are enemies of God.

Cyrill of Alexandria

5th centuryChurch Father

In these words the Lord does not deny that anyone may be numbered among the sons of God. Rather, He shows to whom this dignity most properly belongs, and that it is found preeminently in the saints.

He exposes the Jews, on the contrary, for their senseless arrogance. I, He says, am the one true Son by nature, begotten of God the Father. All others are honored as sons because they are conformed to Me and ascend into My glory, for images are always like their prototypes.

How then, He says, can you be numbered among the children of God? The One who has appeared from God transforms believers into His own image. Yet you not only refuse to love Him, but dishonor Him in many ways.

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Since you have not received Him who is the express image of God the Father, how can you be conformed to Him? It is not open to all without distinction, He says, to call God Father. This belongs, I think, to those adorned with the beauty of piety toward Him, and not to others.

Behold, I have come from heaven to give the best instruction. My word calls you to likeness with God. If you truly desired and strove to have God as Father, you would surely love Me.

For I am the Guide and Teacher of this path. I inspire longing for likeness to the one true Son. Through the Holy Spirit I make those who receive Him conformed to Myself.

How, He says, could one adorned with true likeness to God fail to love Him who is from God? Tell me, how will one honor the tree if he senselessly despises the fruit born from it? Therefore He says, “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad” (Mt 12:33).

If the tree is noble, that is, God the Father, and you wished to crown your heads with His glory, why did you not believe that the Fruit from Him is such also? Why did you not love Him?

Thus the saying under discussion contains a bitter accusation against the Jews. It shows them to be liars, since they try to call God Father, yet through their lack of love for Him who is from God by nature, they stand far from the virtue of those called to this sonship.

At the same time, He profitably introduces mention of the ineffable generation. Thus in this also they are shown to be impious, since they called Him an ignoble and illegitimate son.

Therefore, when He says, “I proceeded from God,” He indicates His ineffable and beginningless generation from the Father. When He adds, “and have come,” He points to His coming into this world in the flesh.

He certainly does not say that God the Word first shone forth from God the Father only when He became man, as certain impious heretics imagine. On the contrary, this saying must be understood piously and according to the sequence of the discourse.

From the fact that He joined the words “proceeded” and “came,” it does not follow that the Logos who is from the Father is coeval with His existence according to the flesh. Each word must be given its own fitting meaning.

We believe that the first indicates the beginningless and incomprehensible generation of the Word from the Father. This is expressed in the words, “I proceeded from God.” The second, according to the flesh, is expressed in the words, “For I have not come of Myself, but He sent Me.”

He was incarnate like us, that is, He became man. By the good pleasure of God the Father He came into this world, to impart to us the teaching of God and explain to the ignorant what accords with the will of God.

But you, He says, did not love the Savior and Teacher who appeared to you by the divine good pleasure. How then can you still be called children of God? How will you obtain the grace of kinship with Him, if you have not honored Him who is begotten from Him?

Yet here also the Lord seems again to say something veiled. By these words He seeks to silence the Jewish people, who reviled Him in vain. Let us say briefly what is being indicated here.

Many among the Jews set the divine fear at nothing, and valued and accepted only human honors. Giving way to shameful gain, they dared to prophesy “from their own heart and not from the mouth of God,” as it is written (Jer 23:16).

The Master of all Himself accused them of this, saying, “I did not send the prophets, nor did I speak to them, yet they prophesied” (Jer 23:21). Then He also threatened to do something terrible to them, crying, “Woe to those who prophesy from their own heart and see nothing at all” (Ezek 13:3).

Such was Shemaiah, or Hananiah, who set his own falsehood against the words of Jeremiah. Taking the wooden yoke and breaking it, he said, “Thus says the Lord: I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon” (Jer 28:2, 13).

When our Savior Christ said, “But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which He heard from God” (Jn 8:40), the Jews murmured. Not knowing who He truly was, they regarded Him as a false prophet.

For this reason they became hardened. They dared not only to revile Him, but even fiercely and impetuously attempted to put Him to death.

Therefore He again profitably frightens them by showing that He did not come of Himself, as was usual with those who falsely prophesied among them. Rather, He was sent by God.

By this He at once rejects from Himself the reputation of a false prophet. He teaches that they will suffer no small punishment, since they dishonor the One sent from God the Father and have already dared to murder Him. Thus He restrains their unbridled boldness.

Such is the meaning of these words. Yet it is possible that the heretic will turn even this saying into nourishment for his own impiety. Perhaps he will accuse the essence of the Only-begotten and consider it lesser than the Father, because He uses the word “sent” of Himself.

Let such a man again consider the form of the divine economy that we have just described. Let him recall the words of Paul concerning the Son: “Who, being in the form of God, did not consider equality with God robbery, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself, becoming obedient unto death” (Phil 2:6-8).

If He humbled Himself voluntarily, clearly with the Father’s good pleasure and agreement with Him, what accusation can be brought against Him? He fulfilled the form of the divine economy as was fitting.

But if, on the basis of the word “sent,” you think the Son is lesser than the Father, tell me this. How, if He is lesser according to your ignorant opinion, does He always and unchangeably act altogether as God?

Where is this inferiority shown in Him, if He perfectly possesses the property of the Begetter and the fullest divine authority? Therefore He must not be conceived as lesser because He is sent.

He is God from God by nature and truly, since He is the Wisdom and Power of the Father. He is sent to us like the light spread forth from the sun, to make wise what needs wisdom.

Thus what had become powerless is raised up through Him. It is strengthened in every knowledge of God the Father and roused to every virtue. This is because every good in human nature has appeared through Christ alone.

Thus there is nothing servile or inferior at all in Christ, except only the form according to the flesh, μορφῆς ϰατα σάϱϰα. On the contrary, His authority and power over all things are divine, though in speaking of Him we use human language suited to the state of His humiliation.

On verses 41-42. How can those who did not love the Son, who sprang from God the Father, speak the truth when they claim to love Him from whom He is? What honor will those who despised the fruit give to the tree?

If the fruit of God the Father is the Son, for this is what the words mean, “I proceeded from God and have come,” how can He be created? How could the ineffable nature of the Godhead produce something alien and foreign to itself, when not even created nature admits this?

For man is born from man, and ox from ox. Therefore it is necessary to confess that the Son was begotten God from God, lest the Father appear inferior to His own creatures.

When the Son says that He was sent by Him, He does not mean a movement from place to place, for this belongs to bodies. He means it as heat is sent forth from fire, or as radiance flows from light.

Augustine of Hippo

5th centuryChurch Father

The meaning of Christ's coming is the Incarnation. That the Word truly proceeded from God is an eternal procession. The Word proceeded from Him as God, as equal, as the only beloved Son, as the Word of the Father.

He came to us, for "the Word became flesh" (Jn 1:14), so that He might dwell in us. His coming is His humanity; His dwelling is His Divinity. His Divinity is that to which we go; His humanity is the way by which we go.

"You call God Father; recognize Me at least as Brother." Yet He encouraged the hearts of those who understood and touched on what He usually said: "I did not come of Myself, but He sent Me. I proceeded from God and came."

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Remember what we have often said. He came from Him, and He came together with Him from Whom He came. The mission of Christ is His Incarnation.

The procession of the Word from God is an eternal procession. The Word, through Whom time was created, has no time.

Let no one say in his heart, "Before the Word appeared, how was God?" Never say, "Before the Word appeared." God was never without the Word, for the Word always abides and never passes away.

It is God, not a sound. It is He through Whom earth and heaven were created, not something that passes away like everything created on earth.

And so the Word proceeded as God, as equal, as the only Son, as the Word of the Father. He came to us, for "the Word became flesh" (Jn 1:14), so that He might dwell among us (cf. Jn 1:8).

His coming is His humanity. His abiding is His Godhead. His Godhead is that to which we go, and His humanity is that by means of which we go.

If He had not become that by means of which we could go, we would never have reached Him Who abides in eternity.

Euthymios Zigabenos

11th centuryChurch Father

“Then Jesus said to them: If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth from God.” That is, I was begotten, or sent, and have come to you. “For I have not come of Myself,” that is, not according to My own will, since I do not have a separate will, as was said before. “But He sent Me,” as the Father sends the Son, as the mind sends forth the word.

Hilarius of Poitiers

4th centuryChurch Father

The Son of God did not condemn the use of a reverent name by those who, confessing Him as the Son of God, said that His Father is God.

Rather, He rebuked the Jews' arrogant claim to God as Father, because they did not love Him, the Son: "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded from God" (Jn 8:42).

In any case, one cannot say that "to proceed from God" and "to come" are the same thing, since He mentions both: "For I proceeded from God and came" (Jn 8:42).

Showing what "proceeded from God" means and what "came" means, He immediately adds, "For I did not come of Myself, but He sent Me" (Jn 8:42).

He taught that He is not His own beginning when He said, "For I did not come of Myself." Again He bore witness that He proceeded from God and was sent by Him.

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By affirming that He ought to be loved by those who say that God is their Father, because He proceeded from Him, He teaches that the cause of love depends on generation.

For "proceeded" refers to the name of incorporeal generation. In order to confess God as their Father, they ought to have shown love for Christ, Who is begotten from God.

When He says, "He who hates Me hates My Father also," by saying "My" He excludes a common use of the name through the mark of possession.

He is irreverent toward God the Father who does not love the Son. For the cause of love for the Son is nothing other than His being from God.

Therefore the Son is from God not by coming, but by generation. Here generation means eternal generation, as is usual for Hilary. Thus all love for the Father is manifested when they believe that the Son is from Him.

Bogolepow D.P.

19th centuryChurch Father

Now the Jews see that Jesus Christ is speaking about spiritual sonship, and they object to Him. "We were not born of fornication from Abraham or Sarah," a sin which history does not know of them.

Therefore, according to Deut 23:2, we do not belong to the community of the people of God as Gentiles do. "We have one spiritual Father, God."

But to this Jesus Christ answers that if they were children of God, they would love Him, because He proceeds from God in essence and appeared in the world as One sent from God (42-43).

"Why does My speech, λαλια, the way I speak, seem strange and unintelligible to you? Because you cannot even hear, cannot receive into yourselves, My word, λόγος, what I speak.

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"You are obedient children of the devil. He was a murderer from the beginning of the history of the human world, and now he also moves you to kill Me.

"He does not stand in the truth, εστηκα, 'I have set myself, I stand,' because in him, within him, there is no truth. Falsehood, not truth, is the sphere both of his activity and of his inner life.

"When he speaks a lie, he speaks from himself, for he is a liar and the author of everything false in the world. All liars are under his influence.

"You are children of the father of lies. And because I speak the truth to you, you do not believe Me. Which of you convicts Me of sin, αμαρτια, in word or deed, in My teaching or in My life?

"If I speak the truth, why do you not believe Me?" Verse 47 gives the answer.

Gladkow B.I.

19th centuryChurch Father

Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, because I proceeded and came from God. But you do not wish to understand Me. You cannot even hear My word. Why?

"Because your father is the devil, and you wish to fulfill the desires, that is, the will, of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning of the creation of the human race.

"He manifested his hatred and malice toward mankind by deceiving the first people. He did this because he did not stand in God's truth, and even now there is no truth in him.

"He speaks only falsehood, for he is a liar and the father of lies. And you fear the truth. You seek to kill Me because I speak the truth."

On the devil, see the interpretation of Mt 4:1. On the right to call God Father, see Mt 6:9.

Michail (Lusin)

19th centuryChurch Father

"Jesus said to them," and so on. The Lord denies this assertion in the same way that He denied above the Jews' sonship to Abraham.

He again points to a fact that contradicts their assertion, namely, that they do not love Him and do not accept His teaching.

By virtue of His divine mission, the Lord appeared in all His teaching and works as the God-man and true Son of God. Therefore everyone who calls God his Father must love Him also, as His true Son.

Consequently, the Jews' lack of love for Him, even hatred by which they seek to kill Him, is irrefutable proof that their claim to divine sonship is false. They are not sons of God because their spiritual inclinations are distorted and false.

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"I proceeded from God": in the sense of eternal procession, or generation, from the essence of the Father (Jn 3:16, 27-28, 30; Jn 17:8). "And came" means His special and extraordinary mission from God into the world.

"I did not come of Myself" confirms that He is from God, and is not a self-appointed messenger. He explained this more than once in His conversations with them.

The expression does not mean that He came to earth unwillingly. It expresses the unity of His will with the will of the Father concerning His coming.

Philaret (Gumilevski)

19th centuryChurch Father

"We have one Father, God," say those who chase after civil freedom. "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded and came from God; for I did not come of Myself, but He sent Me."

It is unnatural for children of God to persecute the Messenger of God. The children of God, reverencing the will of the heavenly Father, reverence the One sent by Him. If it is otherwise, they are not children of God.

The reasoning is simple and incontestably true. By it one may easily test the worth of every zealot for civil freedom.

If he rebels against lawful authority, and if he violates God's law to reach his goal, he is worthless, whatever he may say about himself.

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"I proceeded from God and came into the world," says the Savior. Proceeding indicates the point of origin. Coming indicates the point of approach toward the goal of movement.

In both cases movement is not meant in the strict sense, as this is also used of God in Gen 15:4; Gen 35:11; Ex 1:5; Is 48:1.

The proceeding of the Son of God from the Father is twofold. He proceeded from eternity, that is, He was begotten. He also proceeded in time, when He took human nature upon Himself for the salvation of men.

Here the Savior speaks of His temporal proceeding. We are always in Him, yet we come to Him when we believe in Him with living and fruitful faith.

So also He is always with us, yet He was among us when He lived on earth. "His coming is His humanity; His abiding is His Godhead. His Godhead is where we go; His humanity is the way by which we go.

"If He were not the way by which we can go, we would never reach Him Who abides." Thus blessed Augustine reasons (In Iohan. tract. 42. n. 8).

"I did not come of Myself" is said so that the insolent might not consider Him one of the false prophets, of whom it was said, "I did not send them; they ran. I did not speak to them; they prophesied" (Jer 23:21).

Wlastow G.K.

19th centuryChurch Father

The Lord points out to the Jews the chief reason why they do not understand His speech and do not grasp His word. It is the absence of love in hearts grown coarse and hardened in their selfishness.

Love, even amid many transgressions, covers a multitude of sins. See Lk 7:47: "Therefore I say to you, her many sins are forgiven, for she loved much." For God is love (Jas 5:20; 1 Jn 4:8).

The Only-begotten Word, consubstantial with the Father, Who came from God, is love. "He who does not love his brother is not of God" (1 Jn 3:10).

Therefore the Lord shows the Jews that they would love Him, the Lord Jesus, if they were spiritual children of God: "For I proceeded from God and came."

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"I proceeded" as consubstantial, and "I came" as sent to establish the will of God on earth. But the Lord says, "Why do you not understand My speech?" and do not wish to understand.

Their very failure to understand, whether actual or intentional, the Lord's words addressed to them proved that they were unable, through dullness, obstinacy, and malice, to enter the new spiritual world of righteousness and love.

This world was opened to man by our Lord Jesus Christ. The principal force in the development of religious feeling, love, was absent from these hearts.

"Love, rejoicing in the truth" (1 Cor 13:6-8), could have opened the Jews' spiritual eyes. The absence of love, and still more the hatred they bore toward the Lord Jesus, proved that they could not become children of God.

If they had been among the sheep of the divine Shepherd, they would have known His voice (Jn 10:3-4).

But they reviled and blasphemed the Lord, fulfilling what the Psalmist had long foretold: "The reproaches of those who reproach You have fallen on me" (Ps 68:10).

This prophecy indicated that those who hated the God of Israel would also hate the Son of God incarnate in the form of man.

For John the Theologian said about love, "If someone says, 'I love God,' and hates his brother, he is a liar" (1 Jn 4:20).

The Jews were in precisely this state. Their hearts were full of malice, robbery, and deceit, yet they insisted that they loved God.

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Passages read together with this verse.

The original text

Greek text, 30 words with lemma, transliteration and Strong’s number. Tap to expand.

  1. Εἶπεν
    eipen
    to say
    G2036 · ἔπω, ἐρῶ, εἶπον
  2. αὐτοῖς
    autois
    he
    G846 · αὐτός
  3. ὁ
    ho
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  4. Ἰησοῦς
    iēsous
    Jesus
    G2424 · Ἰησοῦς
  5. Εἰ
    ei
    if
    G1487 · εἰ
  6. ὁ
    ho
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  7. Θεὸς
    theos
    God
    G2316 · θεός
  8. Πατὴρ
    patēr
    father
    G3962 · πατήρ
  9. ὑμῶν
    hymōn
    you
    G4771 · σύ
  10. ἦν
    ēn
    I am
    G1510 · εἰμί
  11. ἠγαπᾶτε
    ēgapate
    I love
    G25 · ἀγαπάω
  12. ἂν
    an
    an untranslatable word that makes a statement contingent
    G302 · ἄν
  13. ἐμέ
    eme
    I
    G1473 · ἐγώ
  14. ἐγὼ
    egō
    I
    G1473 · ἐγώ
  15. γὰρ
    gar
    for
    G1063 · γάρ
  16. ἐκ
    ek
    from out
    G1537 · ἐκ
  17. τοῦ
    tou
    the
    G3588 · ὁ
  18. Θεοῦ
    theou
    God
    G2316 · θεός
  19. ἐξῆλθον
    exēlthon
    I go out
    G1831 · ἐξέρχομαι
  20. καὶ
    kai
    and
    G2532 · καί
  21. ἥκω
    hēkō
    I have come
    G2240 · ἥκω
  22. οὐδὲ
    oude
    neither
    G3761 · οὐδέ
  23. γὰρ
    gar
    for
    G1063 · γάρ
  24. ἀπ᾽
    ap
    from
    G575 · ἀπό
  25. ἐμαυτοῦ
    emautou
    of myself
    G1683 · ἐμαυτοῦ
  26. ἐλήλυθα
    elēlytha
    I come
    G2064 · ἔρχομαι
  27. ἀλλ᾽
    all
    but
    G235 · ἀλλά
  28. ἐκεῖνός
    ekeinos
    that
    G1565 · ἐκεῖνος
  29. με
    me
    I
    G1473 · ἐγώ
  30. ἀπέστειλεν
    apesteilen
    I send forth
    G649 · ἀποστέλλω